Minute 54: “Whoa.”

Transcript

Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:01Welcome to the Matrix. I am Phil. I'm going to be speaking very low and quiet because I'm in a new place and the, what do you call that? The ambient is not good. The acoustics are not treated. Yeah. So, hi. This is minute, what is it? Minute 50. I'm so organized right now. It's okay. It's moving and stuff. I'm also in this new voice. So, we just like, it's a little dull minute, right? I mean, not dull, but like just mellow. It's very mellow. Low key. And I will not have trivia for the next three episodes. So, that's great, isn't it?

0:41It's great, Phil. Good job. I'm Jake and you know the whole spiel with me. Yeah. The spiel is... Trivia. Timmy? I got some trivia if you want. I'm Timmy. How about something like... Did you know, I have to start with that because I am an uncreative person, the Wachowskis hired a consultant DJ from LA named Jason Bentley, a musical whiz kid, by their own words, who had a lot of swell ideas how to add some music, you know, the music choices. Wow. I think he was interviewed in The Matrix Revisited.

1:25What? Did they, in the end, utilize his help? Ah. Yes, yes, yes. A lot of the song choices for the soundtrack and for the movie. I think he was interviewed in The Matrix Revisited. You know, the songs. He was talking about stuff. And with us is, as usual these days, is a guest. And that guest is from Bat Minute 89. Please welcome Niall McGowan. Oh, hello. Hello. Yeah. I feel like I walked into like some sort of ambient weed den or something. It's like, oh, everyone. Just over there. We're so like, oh, hello. It's Bat Minute 89. And now it's like, oh, this guy's so relaxed. This is weird. Yo, this is just for this episode.

2:06And this whole stream of this week, my friend. We're usually a lot more energetic. We're usually, yeah. We're just afraid of these ambient noises ruining our audio quality. It's true. I'll fan up. But you be as loud as you want. It'll be hilarious, the contrast. It'll be great. Hello. Yes. Exactly. Welcome, Niall. Welcome to the show. Welcome. We're very happy to have you. We appreciate you coming on. I love Batman at 89. It's so fun. I've been. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I was like drawing different Batman characters when I was listening to the episodes. It was really fun. Did you use your bat pencil? I have great memories of it. And I can't wait to listen to more. I use my bat pencil. Thanks very much. Yeah, man. Bat pad. iPad. Bat pad.

2:47And yeah, I'm really happy that you actually, you know, accepted my invitation or was the other way around, I think. I can't remember. It's been a while. Oh, yeah. It's been a while in the planning. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That is true. But if you're talking about trivia, I've actually got a little bit. It's not related to this minute. Please tell us. But it was a bit like, because one of the people who listen to Batman at 89 may well know that we've got a habit. And I, in particular, have a habit of just like randomly linking things through strange coincidence. I've just been like, oh, my God, it's all connected together. And I only noticed in rewatching the whole film for the, you know, in preparation for this.

3:33Yeah. The Matrix. You may be familiar with it. I've heard of it. They, but I had never noticed before. But and all these memories all linked together in my head of when Neo opens the door or Thomas, Thomas Anderson, as he's known then, you know, and the guy does this whole, oh, you're my own personal Jesus Christ and all that stuff. The woman who's with them is, you know, her name's like Ada Nicodemo or something like that. Nicodemo. Yeah. I knew her. I had never recognized her before, but I looked at her and I was like, that's Leah from Home and Away, which is like an Australian soap that gets shown in the UK.

4:13And I used to watch it a lot when I was a kid. And from that, I was like, oh, because Leah, Leah's husband in the show, Vinny, was played by a guy, Ryan Quassen, who went on to be in True Blood and stuff. But I knew him because I'd seen him before years ago, watching one episode of a TV show called The Handler, which starred Joe Pantolino. Oh. And I was just like, oh, that's because I always knew. Oh, yeah. Vinny from Home and Away was in The Handler. And I was like, oh, because and Joe Pantolino's in this. So I was like, oh, it's all connecting up already, man. Isn't that good in the hands, though? Yeah. And Mouse, Mouse is, he was Irene's son, as I recall, in Home and Away as well.

4:56Really? What? They got a lot of work. Why are you getting these Australian soaps? Because every, like 90% of the cast is Australian for this film. Oh, yeah, that's right. It's a shot. Yeah. Plus, like in the UK, it's just like, people live on soap. Like, that's all. They got that. And then they had, there wasn't enough of it. So they sent off to Australia and shipped their soaps. I just know EastEnders, that's about it. Yeah, those criminals in Australia. Other, they're all terrible. But I just know from when I was procrastinating, as like a secondary school student, and you'd do anything to avoid having to do your homework. And I'd stick on Home and Away, just be like, oh, watch, I'll do it after this. Just to ease that time.

5:36Yeah. And now you know the secrets of Home and Away. So it wasn't all in vain. No, it wasn't. Definitely not. To be honest, yeah. The UK, TV's a bit of a silly place, isn't it? Like, I remember just living in the UK, and just like, you turn it on, there's always something weird going on. There's so many TV, like, talk shows and panel shows. There's always some kind of confuffle. I was not used to that sort of craziness. I'm not used to now, like, particularly, it's a mentioned off mic that I'm back home visiting my family. And it's the only time I'd ever approach TV normally now, where it's actually all flipped channels. Because everything now is online. So much so, it's like, if I want to watch a show,

6:17I'll schedule it myself, I'll download it, or I'll stream it. And the idea of sitting down and watching a scheduled TV program now, it's really weird. I always feel bad of like, oh, the ratings for Twin Peaks this season were way down. It's like, I'm sorry, I didn't watch it live. I'm watching it the next day, whenever I want to, you know? Yeah. And it's also just really weird that you're spending your time waiting for something good to come on. But it's like, it's just a weird concept when you think about it. And then you watch some junk for like an hour. Why did I watch that? We are truly people of the future. Like, 15 minutes of advertisement. So all I find out is, it's like, particularly over here, because my dad's got like the deluxe Sky TV package,

6:59which is like the biggest, like satellite TV. He's got everything. Sky HD. Sky HD. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. And you can flip around at a given night, hundreds of channels, nothing, nothing worth watching. And you'll end up sitting, watching something on YouTube on a much smaller screen. Just like... The sounds... Yeah, yeah. It's just on your phone, just like... I can't find anything on this big, pristine HDTV. I'll watch this little thing. Some guy in a bedroom talking about a film, I know. Who's just doing it for free. Well, yeah. And plus, I think what's cool is that YouTube and stuff is a lot more user content. It's not, you know, like it's people making stuff.

7:39Like big production. For now. When you're going to say 10, you're going to say 10, 10, 10. No, I was going to say just, I remember like, I lived there about 2007 to 2010. And it's just loved the culture of, you got to get a big plasma telly for... That was like the dream. Like you stick it above the fireplace. And that's like the thing. I remember I was like... Pride and joy. Just a pride and joy. Everyone getting humongous plasma TVs. Did they have plasma TVs? They did in 20. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was the plasma TVs, like the 50 inch, 60 inch, 70 inch. To read this back into the Matrix, in the 1996 script, Morpheus was showing him the world that he knew and the construct on a large widescreen TV.

8:20So, there you go. I gracefully segued into back to the topic at hand. So, Phil, don't you have a question for our guest? That's right, Niall. I messed this up last time with Scott Corelli, who was like in a couple of episodes before. And I didn't ask him from the first episode, what do you... You know, like, how did you get into this Matrix thing? You know? What did you think of it for the first time? And can you remember these things? Oh, I remember it quite a bit. Because, you know, I was a person of a... Grew up in the 90s. When it came to the end, and this is what, 99, 2000. Yeah.

9:00And you couldn't get away from this thing. This was like the biggest... You know, it was a marketing blitz. It was cool stuff. Yeah, it was huge. But at that point, I think I was starting my kind of... You know, you go through that bit when you're a teenager, and you're just like, whatever's cool. It's like, oh, screw that. You know? It's like, whatever's popular, you don't get into. Yeah, yeah. And so, because they kept... Yeah. They kept pushing the Matrix on me. I was like, oh, I don't care about that. And then... And I was also beginning of my kind of like, film snobbery years, where like, I went through a period of time where I'd get into like, oh, I'm into the classics and the new Hollywood and all that. I wouldn't watch some modern blockbuster with loads of special effects.

9:40Yeah, yeah. And so, when it came out in the... I remember all the marketing campaigns that had that... The ingenious placement of that whole, no one knows what the Matrix is. Or no one can be told what the Matrix is. You just have to experience it. But I was like, oh, I see what you've done there. You're trying to lure me in. You're trying to lure me in. Yeah, but when it was in the cinemas, I didn't give it the time of day. But when it came out on VHS, my brother got it to me for Christmas. Can I ask really quick? When you went to watch in the cinema, how old were you? Oh, no, I didn't. I didn't see it in the cinema. Oh, you didn't? Okay, gotcha. No, no, no. They didn't trick him with the trickery. You got the better hand.

10:20I first saw it then as my brother got it to me on VHS for Christmas. And it was one of those things of like, he clearly just, like he watched the video first. Like I came in that Christmas afternoon and he was watching a present he gave me. He had clearly just bought it because he wanted to watch the Matrix again. Yeah, that sounds good. Because he was really into it. And then like the next year, I got a copy of the book of Fight Club, which the spine was suspiciously bent on it, I have to say. And we've continued that way for the next 17 years. Fantastic. But yeah, and at that point, it's like, well, I mean, if he's bought it for me, I might as well watch it.

11:01And then I did watch it. I was like, yeah, this is actually, this is, you know, this is pretty good. It's, I mean, it's no Batman, but yeah. Well, yeah, of course. But then, you know, I watched it and enjoyed it and I kind of gave, I got a bit more lenient on it. And then as the years went by and I kind of eased up in my whole, oh, I'm not watching that kind of attitude towards things. I was like, no, the Matrix is good. And I've revisited it many times. And it's like, watch this one a bunch. And I've only seen the second two like one time each because it just, they did not win me over by any stretch of the imagination. But this one is, is, is pretty, pretty solid as a, you know, as a stat.

11:41I agree. That's why we're talking about it. Definitely. I would say so too. And it was just that whole, you know, there was this, the sheer marketing blitz of it was all I remember because it was like, you got those phones, the little, the little flip down things. They were advertised like, this is a phone from the Matrix. You can own this. It was like, at the time looking, I was like, to be fair, no, the first one, they had the little, the Nokia. Yeah. And you press the button and the thing slotted down. Yeah. At the time, it would look, yeah, back then, when I was trying to ignore the film, I was like, oh, whatever. But seeing the ads for them, then I was like, that phone looks pretty cool though. I'll give them that, you know? Whereas now I would be like,

12:21that's pretty, that's pretty lame. But whatever. Back in 99, it was a simpler time, you know, if you just, you wanted things that could flick down. That was all, that's all you needed to entertain yourself. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. You had to occupy the entire phone line. Exactly. Oh yeah, that's right. Our dial-up. That's crazy. Sweet. So basically like, you kind of eased in to the Matrix more. Yeah, very much, very much so. Versus like our last guest, Patrick Willems, who just instantly, yeah, got into it. It's pretty good. I think all of us discover the Matrix in different ways. I'm glad we have that variety. Exactly. Good, good. Yeah. I'm surprised they're coming on

13:02for this minute because like, I remember, you know, this was booked ages ago and I was giving a, I was given a spreadsheet of the various available minutes. Yes. I figured out what this, what this one was. I was shocked that no one had taken this minute because this is the minute that gave birth to the meme of Keanu. So it's like, no one wants to talk about that? What the hell? I know, right? Yeah. That is true. Well, we got a perfect person to talk about it with. So yeah, without further ado, let's talk about minute, what is it? I don't know. 54. Sorry. Minute 54. And this is what happens in minute 54.

13:42We're in the jump program. Morpheus tells Neo to let it all go. Fear, doubt, and disbelief. He then tells him to free his mind. Then the crazy man jumps from the rooftop to the neighboring rooftop. Neo attempts the same. No one's ever made the first jump. Mouse is hopeful, but Neo fails and falls and hits the ground. That's our minute. That's a good minute. So yeah, we're here in the jump program, the famous jump program that many people know, and it also brought in these quotes that everybody remembers, particularly, free your mind. Wow. Wow. Did they ever use that

14:22in advertising, free your mind? I think that's in the second one. In Matrix Reloaded Revolutions, particularly Revolutions, I remember in the posters it said, free your mind. So... I do have... You were saying that? I was just wondering, because like, for the most part, the last guest spot I did as well, I ended up talking a lot about Lawrence Fishburne's wardrobe, because I was doing Batman vs. Superman in it. I was like, oh, Perry White's so stylish in this. But this is a weird combo, because Morpheus, like, he seems to be in between of the extremes of fashion between the Trinity, if you will, of Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus.

15:03Because like, Neo's clothes, even today, are like, oh, he's pretty normal looking. And then he just, he puts on the trench coat, like, oh, he looks cool. Trinity, on the other hand, is like, that's the most dated early 2000s look I can possibly imagine. And then Morpheus kind of falls in between, where you get like, he's got that really cool black suit with the lime green tie. And it's like, that looks pretty stylish. True, but in this one, look at this. He's got none of that. It's kind of, it's kind of like, it's, is he wearing a t-shirt? That's what I was about to say. It's kind of like, this is casual Morpheus. Yes, exactly. It's like, it's just like his, it's like his workout clothes. He's like, oh, I really exert myself from doing this jump, you know? This is like,

15:43Morpheus knows it's not the most important mission ever, but you know, it's something in between. It's something like, you know, you gotta have your trench coat, right? Yeah. It looks like a black t-shirt, so it could have just not loaded, you know? No, this is intentional. It's just like a default, you know? It's intentional. When you're in video games, when you start a character, you just got the default, like, shirt, pants. This is casual Morpheus. That's what it is. Yeah. But he still got that, because, was it, is it a leather coat, or is it some sort of, yeah, I think it's leather. Yeah, because I know, it's like a fake, it's like a fake, kind of crocodile skin. I thought it was a crocodile thing. It actually looks very much like the, the Jared Leto Joker. He has that hideous frigging coat. Oh, don't, let's not even talk about that.

16:25Ah, ah. Yeah, but it kind of brings that to mind, unfortunately. But yeah, that's what I mean, because like, Morpheus, some cool clothes, some not so cool. Like, I mean, I know those little glasses without the, with the sitting, the just sitting on the bridge of your nose. I know back in the day, they were like the, they were hot shit, but like now it's a bit like, well, could you actually wear those? Just, I never had a pair. I think. I think. They seem like they would just fall off. Just gonna have to email Lawrence and ask him. Also, um, I think he's wearing Nikes. No. No. If you, if you freeze, if you freeze frame, as he's jumping, I think it says Nike. What? Dude, those are tennis shoes.

17:05He's wearing joggers. What? Well, you gotta do the jump. As you guys might, if you listen to Batman in 89, you might also know someone else who wears sneakers. Oh yes, Michael Keaton's Batman. Does he? Nike boots. Yeah. But the, the product placement, uh, people from Nike came to them and they're like, can you put these sneakers in somewhere? And they were like, it's not really, it doesn't really fit in with the aesthetic of like the 1940s looking Gotham we've got going on. So eventually they just went like, why doesn't Batman just wear some kind of modified Nike boot? And yeah, so Batman's wearing Nikes in the, in that movie. And apparently Michael Keaton has said that they're the most comfortable shoes he's ever worn. So, Oh, yeah. Well,

17:45Morpheus has got to have some comfortable, uh, yeah. Foot guards for him when he's doing those big jumps. Look at that guy. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I think there's an actual Nike. I can't believe this. This is, do you think that counts as product placement? It's just, there's only one second when you can clearly see it. I think it's a mistake. They weren't planning on showing the souls. It could be like, this is, like they, they messed up the recording of this the first time and they had to get in fish burn. And he's like, I'll show up, but I'm just putting on the coat and the glasses. I'm like, whatever I'm wearing. I'm not putting on those stupid dress shoes again. Yeah. He's like, you got it. You got it. That's it. It's fine. It's fine. You know? Or, you know, the classic thing where someone's like, we'll fix it in post until we'll forget. Yeah. And they go and edit it and it's like finished and they go, no one cares. It's fine. I think this is just part of,

18:26uh, that's hilarious. Part of Morpheus's. With the, with the shirt as well. It's just like, it's, it is cash, cash Morphe. Guys, guys, you know what this is? This is the remnant, the last remnant of 96 script of the cool, like tennis shoes and jeans and stuff. This is the last remnant. Oh yeah. Guys, uh, we're going to have to do something about that 1996 script. Niall, if you don't know, we always had a little section. We always have a little section. We do always have a little section, but we kind of slacked off for the past couple of episodes. You slacked off. I slacked off. Me and Tim do all the work. Right. Yeah. You guys do all the work. I just, you know, just show up and, I go, what are we recording? I never have trivia. Right. Um, and I never have trivia. And, um, what we usually do is,

19:07um, I talk about the 1996 matrix draft, which is very fascinating because there's a lot of differences and you can see how not as developed or refined, um, of a script that it was before it became the shooting script and the final film. And, um, there's a lot of crazy nineties things that were just unbelievable that they actually dodged those bullets. Um, um, so, um, we reference it. Yeah. And, um, I'll talk about the 1996 version in here because there's a bunch of stuff that I forgot. And now you're in for a treat because those things are pretty amusing. Can't wait. Um, so let's,

19:47let's go back here. Morpheus says, free your mind, let it all go. Fear, doubt, disbelief. Um, these are one of those things that when you're a teenager and you're watching this, you're like, wow, this guy's speaking truth, man. So what do you think? You know, Jacob, do you have anything to say about that? Um, no, I remember I was watching this, um, again with the philosopher's commentary on the matrix. We watched relatively recently, like a month or so ago. And Cornell West, uh, was talking about how it's interesting that Morpheus is again, in the sequence being quite dogmatic in saying that in order to attain the truth, you need to let go of things like doubt. That means you have to be certain. He's pointing towards certainty,

20:27absolute certainty Morpheus is talking about. And throughout the film, we've noticed that Morpheus is very certain in his belief of the one. Well, he also says here, let go of disbelief. There you go. Exactly. And what's interesting because, um, yeah, you know, a lot of times, uh, it's the opposite. A lot of times you have to embrace, doubt and not being sure in order to figure out something. So yeah, that's my thought on that. Oh, cool. Very nice. Um, so sorry, go on, Tim speak. No, sorry. So yeah, I shut up. You little hobgoblin, you little cupboard. Yeah. You're right. I'm in a,

21:08I'm in the closet. Go on. Get out. Be free. Um, uh, speak. Now it's just funny. I always didn't associate it with that. I just thought it was like, you know, it's that kind of Zen, Zen kind of thing where it's like, free your mind, be open to ideas. That's what I thought too. The idea is that, you know, the floor is not real. The floor is lava. You know what I mean? Just like, right. But it's interesting. I guess Cornelius knows his ways. Cornelius. Cornelius. Yeah. Cornelius West. Um, so anyway, when, when Morpheus does that jump, I remember when I was watching it for the first time, those are what, I think this is one of the special effects that really hold up. You mean him jumping? Yeah. Him jumping. It just works so well. And what do you guys think? What do you think now of his jumping? When I see him jump,

21:48I literally in my head go, whoa. So, it's a very well executed shot. I love the camera movement. I want to tell you about the camera movement. Tell us about the camera movement. The Wachowskis called this shot, uh, where Morpheus jumps into the air, you know, and that camera is a little late to catch up. And they, the Wachowskis called it the worst cameraman ever shot. Because of, that was my trip. That was my trip for next episode. I didn't, I didn't realize we were doing this in this episode, but it's okay. It's okay. We've done this to you, Phil. That does strike me though. It's like, I think that kind of works though. Cause it's almost as if like the camera, the camera wasn't expecting to go that high. They're like, Oh, Oh, it's still going. Oh, it's like, yeah. And the film itself is amazed by him.

22:28So, yeah. And not only does it hide a special effects switcheroo with, um, with, you know, uh, real and fake, but it also kind of just adds that more of a dynamic, uh, feel to, uh, the movement of, uh, of his, of his jump there. It's great. Well, but if it was in star Wars, Philip would be pooping all over it because you'll call it, uh, uncle camera vision. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uncle Joe using the camera. Joe. As you call it, we're not talking about force. JJ Abrams is a crazy use of camera, but no, it is in modern, especially where there's lots of CGI. This technique is used a lot, you know, just to hide, this was to have that like artificial shake.

23:10In my defense, this is what would happen if it was JJ Abrams. It would be shaking like a crazy person and it would be zooming in three or three or four times. Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. And it'd be shaking like, Oh God, but that makes me want to wish there was, you know, like it cuts to, uh, a Morpheus turnaround. Imagine if it was like a Hong Kong movie zoom, you know, like a Western, zooms in his face. He jumps down. So you see him jump down, right? And then just like a fast zoom. Yeah. And he turns around. I would like that. And I love when they do the zoom, it's like, I know, uh, Tarantino was like, uh, replicated this a few times because it's so far away when they zoom and they're always a little bit off.

23:52So there's that little slight adjustment at the end, you know, to, to sort of frame the person. I love that. It's funny, which it's interesting that this movie, I feel like when you compare it to the storyboard boards that are made for the matrix, the matrix didn't really end up being a very extravagant film in terms of how the camera moves. It really isn't too crazy or wild. No. If you think about it. And Tim just mentioning this zoom in, this would be an example of something being more like exotic and sort of like, you know, immediate or dynamic. but surprisingly, the matrix is quite typical in some sense of it not being too drastic in its flavor.

24:34Yeah. And there's like a lot of style, but it's never like taking you out kind of style. You know, there's not crazy Dutch angles or some, some nonsense. It's sort of like movies of the nineties that you watch now. You're like, it has a style, but it's sort of, it's, it's done sort of safely in some sense, I guess. I don't know. That's how I put it. Why did Zack Snyder do the JJ Abrams zooming in and out in Man of Steel? I don't know, Phil. Okay. Do you do? Niall, I'm sorry. And everybody who's listening, who doesn't know, I just, I get so annoyed with that stuff. Philip, that's why I instigate it. Just to, just to piss him off. You know, look at maybe Phil to yell, you know, not be the, the closet. I'm in the closet. Quiet. I have a final thing at this segment.

25:16Also, Niall, feel free to interrupt us anytime. Absolutely. Oh no, I'm happy to listen to Zoom talk. Yeah. This is Zoom talk. Zoom talk. I just want to say that this is one of those, tonight. Tonight. On Zoom talk. This is one of my favorite jumps in the entire film. Because. Jake's favorite. Top 10 jumps in the Matrix. Top 5 jumps. This is number one. Because it's, you don't pay attention to how it's done. You just go, oh, Morpheus is jumping. It's flawless. Almost flawless. I mean, if you look at it many, many times. Let's not, let's not pay too much attention. Let's just. I'm looking at it many times. At one point, it looks like somebody's holding him by the camera.

25:57Okay. It's like, a bit of a blanch. Have you guys talked about, you know, the actual, because this scene, you know, when Morpheus does these kind of things, it really brings to mind, to me, because I was a big fan, back when I was a kid, of the Neil Gaiman Sandman books. Oh, yes. I've heard of him, but I haven't heard of him. The main character is called Morpheus. Morpheus. And he's the, he's the ruler of the kingdom of dreams, which is like the matrix, basically. And he's able to manipulate it and do whatever he wants with it. So I was always under the impression that maybe his name wasn't, was, you know, a knowing reference. I think it was. Yeah.

26:37So I was just wondering if you, have you guys, have you covered that already? Or is it a thing that you. Somewhat, somewhat. I just mentioned that, yeah, it might as well have been a reference because, not just because the Wachowskis used to be working in the comics industry and they used to write different comic book stories, but they also had Neil Gaiman do a few matrix stories and some of the matrix comics as well. So I'm pretty sure they knew, they were very well aware of the Sandman series. Yeah. And since Morpheus is the Greek God of dreams, you know, you can kind of get away with it and kind of both have it both ways. There's always some nuggets. I think that we're never quite sure of whether it was intentional or not, but those nuggets. It's they're, they're in there. They're in there.

27:17You're just gonna have to mind them. I love how the, I love how the, um, the, the tiles crack, you know? Yeah. And of course, mid jump, you know, that part where the camera didn't, we didn't see Morpheus. During that time, he switched shoes. He went, no more Nikes. Leather boots. Yes. He flew, flew ups, but, um, so, so, so Philip, is this, is this a CGI Morpheus jumping down? Um, they, I have to tell you, 1999, well, when they were doing this was 98. I don't think they were there yet to do digital doubles. So I think it was a dude on a blue screen, stunty, uh, doing a, a move and they just, you know, they, you know, you digitally composite them and make them smaller.

27:57Mm. Mm. That is true. Yeah. Just like shrinkage. Just put some fans under his, uh, coat and put some strings over around the coat. And there you go. And he flies. Looks like the sleeves are, are escaping when he's done. I encourage, I encourage everybody who's, uh, actually watching the minute, whoever's doing that crazy thing to look at that frame by frame. It's pretty fun. But also anyway, he, he jumps down. Look at his Nikes first. The, the roof cracks. I mean, just like those tiles. And then Morpheus does that turn. He looks so cool. I love that shot. And it does have, he does allow himself a nice little, like a little half smile. Like, what do you think of that? Like, he's just pretty, pretty cool.

28:37He knows he's cool. When you think of that, Neo. And then Neo's like, whoa. See this shit, Neo. Let's do it. Let's talk about the famous line. Whoa. Whoa. The thing is, cause this is not just, it's not just famous. Cause like, this is like Keanu's, I'll be back. Like, yeah. Yeah. Cause it's not just in this film. He's like, I've got a list of the, many films in which Keanu Reeves says, whoa. Yeah. So apparently starting from Babes in Toyland, which is the terrible, terrible Christmas movie. He made with the, I N C I N C I N C, whatever Cincinnati. It's one of the best songs. Ohio. You, he also goes, he also goes,

29:18Oh, yeah. Best, which is wonderful. Continue. Yeah. But then, uh, also the night before. Haven't seen it. Can't comment. Um, Prince of Pennsylvania. Haven't seen it. Can't comment. Ohio. Bill and Ted, both one and two. Seen them both. Love them. Yeah. Hope, hopefully someone will do a movies by minutes of them. Cause I think that would be a pretty good idea. Yeah. Tim, have you seen this? There's a lot of woes. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen them like when I was younger, but, uh, yeah. Uh, I love you to death. That's the film title. I'm not talking to you guys. Um, although I'm not, you know, we just met. Yeah. We're a bit too early for that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but, uh, also haven't seen it. Can't comment. Uh, tune in tomorrow.

30:00Haven't seen it. Can't comment. Uh, point break classic. I see. And then, uh, yeah, there you go. The, the, oh, you haven't seen point break. No, I have. I have recently. Oh, thank God. Oh, terrific. Terrific. Well, uh, then of course the matrix and then, uh, knock, knock, which is, Oh, if you guys, have you seen, I saw the trailer. That's all I kind of needed. Is this the new thing with the two ladies? Yeah. Oh, it's fucking terrible, but it's so worth watching. Just Keanu is like, cause I, I defend Keanu. Cause he seems like a nice guy, but he's not the best actor in the world. He's good in this film, but like in knock, knock, he's trying to act his heart out. And it's, it's ridiculous. Oh,

30:40cause it's a bit where like, but he's even got like, there's a bit where I'll have to send you. Like the YouTube links. People have put this up. I'm super interested. Yeah. But he's got like a whole bit of him where it's like tied to the chair. And like the two women are like, cause it's all about like, they break in or he invites them into his house and it's kind of like a clockwork going situation. But in the beginning they seem innocent and then they have sex. And then it turns out that they're psychos and they're going to blackmail him because he's cheated on his wife. But it's a bit, yeah, it's the time to a chair and they kill all these people and they torture him and stuff. It's a Eli Roth movie. So, you know, that kind of, but the, yeah, there's a hole. Okay. So it's a bit sadistic. Is there, is there a big cock statue around there anywhere?

31:23No, tragically. I don't think maybe there is, but I wasn't, I only watched it once and I wasn't looking for one. Yeah. But yeah, he has a whole bit where they announced they're going to kill him and he goes in the hole. You're going to fucking kill me. Why? Because I fucked you. You fucked me. You fucked me. It was free pizza. It was free pizza in the middle of the road. It's just like, Oh man. Okay. I am watching this right now. Oh, I think it's on Netflix. It's worth a watch. It's, it's terrible film, but it's worth a watch just for, just for that scene alone. What's the movie called? Dude, I love the impression. You, you perfectly nailed the, Keanu Reeves trying to act. That was amazing. It was amazing. I agree. My favorite Keanu,

32:03what's the movie called again? Knock, knock. Knock, knock. I was going to watch it because the lady playing it, Adam De Armas, she was playing in a new Blade Runner and she's pretty good in there. And I was like, I wonder what she's played in. And I see, Oh, there's like the, the weird Keanu Reeves movies. I should probably, I wanted to watch that, but I'm glad to hear that it's, it's off the wall. It's crazy. I'm looking at the photo. It looks terrible. It's like holding some kind of kitchen knife. Yeah. This is strange. He's been, he's been acting a lot of like weird indie movies. Like you have always like a strange side characters. Always Keanu Reeves. Oh yeah. Neon Demon. Yeah. Neon Demons. I remember in the cinema, just been like,

32:44what the fuck? What's Keanu Reeves doing here? Like it's, it's kind of like, hello, here I am. But he leaves again. Like, all right, see ya. And he's in the new, the one with Jason Momoa, what it was called. I like samosas. Keanu Reeves. What's it called? Oh, the bad batch. Is it the, the bad batch? Yeah. Yeah. He plays like this weird weirdo again. To be a pimp man. The dirty doesn't. Yeah. To be fair to Keanu, he did. That's kind of where he gets his, that's kind of where he got his start as well. Cause he was in, you know, my own private Idaho and river's edge and stuff. And those are kind of weird little indie movies in the early nineties. So I guess he, he has had his foot in there for like a while.

33:25It's just, it may be, he just does. He's a man who walks between two worlds, basically. Putting it. Just like Neo. But I love that though. I love that. I love the actors like, you know, Elijah Wood or Daniel Radcliffe. They just earned their money on some big franchise and they're just pretty much just having fun ever since then. And just, that's the goal, my friend. That's the goal. Working on these small, crazy projects. Just hit it big, make it and do whatever you love to do. Go get some sushi. But, uh, you know, I will say, you know, for Keanu's acting in it, cause again, he's actually, I think he's, he's perfectly good in, in these films and the whole,

34:07he has his moments where like throughout his career, he's actually great. And, uh, it's actually in this minute, he does a great little comic beat coming up when he goes to jump. And he does that little look over the edge and he does that like, like, okie dokie. Like that, that's genuinely funny. It's just like, oh, he has good comic timing and stuff. Especially like, you know, juxtaposed to what we just saw with Morpheus being the legendary man that he is. Yeah. Is this the first time in the movie that we kind of have a little bit of, uh, humor? I think so. Kind of, he relaxes. Well, I think, I don't think he's ever. I think the sparring program was pretty good there. He was like, he was having some fun. Oh yes, that is true. He kind of loosens up. Oh yeah, again, in that scene, cause he's, some of the facial expressions he's doing when he's showing off his moves.

34:49And he's kind of got the eyebrow cocked. He's really like, oh, exactly. That's great. That's like, oh, he's a pretty funny guy. So again, you're still, you're dealing with Ted, Theodore, Logan, like those films are classics and he's great in them. So yeah, Keanu can do comedy. He should probably do it more often really, but. I know. Yeah. I agree. They're making a third one. Yeah. Oh yeah, Barney. Yeah. Yeah. The music. Yep. Yep. The thing is, cause I remember he said, they would only do it if a few years back, it said he would only do it if Werner Herzog would direct. And the thing is, it's like, I bet Werner Herzog would direct it. Like he would be like, oh yes, I don't think he is, but it would have been like, I can imagine them pitching it to him and him being like,

35:29that sounds pretty interesting. Yeah. That sounds very interesting. Yep. Yeah. It's the director of Galaxy Quest. Oh really? Oh right. Fun with Dick and Jane. Okay. Right on. And Red 2. And that's, that's, this is the ones that MDB is telling me are the big ones. Galaxy Quest is pretty good. Galaxy Quest is awesome. Oh yeah, well, good Galaxy Quest minute. I think it's currently, is it currently airing? Yeah. I think it's currently airing, it's up and coming. You will save us. Okay, let's go. Let's go back to the savior here, Neo. He's just like, he's just like you said, okie dokie. And everybody's tense. Look at them, they're all looking at their monitors. Mouse is like,

36:10what if he makes it? What's interesting is here, we, this presupposes the fact that other, uh, um, saved, uh, crew members of the Nebuchadnezzar also went through this training program. Everybody's done this one. Everyone's done the jump program. Yeah. Now the question is, I always wondered is, what exactly is the purpose of the jump program? To let it all go. To try to free your mind of doubt, disbelief, and to try to train yourself to be able to, um, ascend from the boundaries that you have in your own mind. Because if you truly believe that you're going to make that jump, you're going to make that jump because you can in the matrix.

36:50Because in the matrix, your mind can control those things. I would love to see. I think it's also, kind of, I think it's also because like Morpheus is the best at it. And he just likes, I'll show off. I'll show off. Well, of course. Yeah. That was a show off. As if he didn't show off so many times already. Oh yeah. He gets everything. He gets cool. Armchair, TV. He gets to hold your belt. It could be because he knows like, all right, nobody makes the jump. Like this guy was pretty good in that sparring program. I'm going to knock him down a peg. I'm going to do my cool jump. And he's like, he's, he's, I'm like, I'll put him back up and tell him he's the one straight after. But still, like I don't need to put him in his place for a second here to make myself feel better. Morpheus always has to be number one.

37:30I mean, there's two kinds of parents, right? There's the one who's like patient and you takes, you know, gives you a little, uh, the, the, you know, the donut. So you, you know, go into the water and it'll teach you swim. And if you're like, you're scared, Oh, it's okay. We can go back into the shallows. And then for years, you know, you learn how to swim. And then there's the other parents who takes you in a boat, rows you up into the, uh, uh, deepest part, throws you in the ocean and then rolls back and leaves you there. And you will learn. And I think Morpheus is the second parent right there. It's like, there's no time. Matrix must be saved. And, uh, if you can't, yeah, if you can't do it yet out of town, just believe,

38:11believe. So there's tank. He's like, no one's ever made the first jump. So there we go. And I know, and mouse is like, what if he does, what if he doesn't? And there's a nice shot of a Cypher looking like the thinking man or the pooping man, as you said. Yeah, that's true. With us, with us, with George Hendricks, whom I completely forgot, you know, George Hendricks and my, why I meant it, whom I forgot to, uh, mention about the taco meat, because that was the most disgusting thing I've heard. But just to talk of, the taco meat on Mogwai Minute. Yes. Yeah. I had no idea what he was talking about either. I was like, I'd never heard this term before when they kept talking about it. George, if you're listening to this, uh, I wanted, because we had taco meat during the fight with Neo and Morpheus.

38:54So I was just like, I totally forgot to mention that. What are you talking about? I'm being angry and grumpy. They'll explain. Tim, do you know about that? Explain. No. It's the chest hair that comes out of the, uh, the middle of the, you know, when your shirt is this like little triangle going on. It's like kind of, that's called taco meat. According to George, I don't know. I was going to, I've never, I was going to talk about it, but for God, Mr. Chance. Yeah. We, we, we talked to, we talked about that. We were talking about like, it looks like Johnny Bravo's. Yeah, exactly. You missed your chance, Phil. You missed your chance. Yep. I missed my chance. So anyway, Neo tries to do a jump. There's wonderful cinematography there. I love there's, um, uh, like nice linear looking,

39:35uh, backgrounds and foregrounds and, um, Apoc and, um, Switch are in disbelief. They, they're like, he won't make it. Nah, no one's making the first jump. Now, did you think he would make this jump? If you, when you were watching it for the first time, I think I was waiting for it. Trinity gets a closeup going, come on. What's your take on this? Niall. I think, uh, at the time, I think I was well enough aware of like, story structure to be like, of course, he's not going to be the, he's not going to be the best straight off the bat. There's going to be a period of doubt where he can't do everything. And then, of course, that makes it when he does it, when he is able to do everything,

40:17it's much more sort of satisfying. And, um, even though it's ever, as you know, talking about the marketing blitz, the amount of times that show you that shot of like the bullets coming towards him at the end and him stopping it with his hand. And it's like, that's the end of the movie, guys. What the, why the hell are you showing me that now? You know, but particularly, he's supposed to be dead before then as well. So it's like, it just ruined the whole damn thing. But exactly. But no, at this point, I was, I was, I was prepared for him to fall. I wasn't saying, he's definitely going to fall, but I remember being like, he's more than likely not going to make this. Yeah. That's at this point in the, in the story, he's not going to be able to do it just yet. Kind of thing. Yeah. And it correlates with, um, um,

40:57wow. I forgot what I was going to say. Come on, carry on. Um, so basically Neo, uh, does the jump. So this is all green screen. Yeah. This is all studio stuff. I don't know. I, I still think the jump turned out really well. The effect of Neo. Oh, him smushing into the ground. No, no, no. The actual jump. Oh, oh yeah. Oh no, that, that is, that is good. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. That's fine. It's really great. Karen move too. And I think it's a very Wachowski style shot. Yeah. Well, the thing is the whole, the whole scene really reminds me of, uh, because, you know, particularly because it comes out in such, uh, you know, close proximity is,

41:38uh, you know, Spider-Man and then even more so Spider-Man too, which came later on. Cause they, you know, the first one features a scene of Peter Parker doing a jump off a building and same angles and everything. Right. And then the second one, of course he tries when he's trying to get himself back into being Spider-Man, he attempts to jump and falls a very exactly like Neo falls straight down. And that, what really struck me has been like, Oh, little weird coincidental things pieced together is that, um, I don't know if you know, like in the development of the Spider-Man film, but you know, it went through various different drafts of various different people. Yeah. And it was with, uh, Canon films for a while. I think it was this version.

42:18I'm sure if Scott Corelli is listening, he can, he can tell you for sure. Yeah. But there was a version of our group where we'd be so happy. We'd have less tumble beans. Fewer. But, um, but, uh, yeah, there was a, there was a script with the made by Canon films and it was basically the same plot, as what happens in Spider-Man too. And Dr. Octopus's catchphrase in that script was, Okie dokie. That's like, yeah. So it's like, Oh, it's a kind of weird coincidence right there. It's all sort of, it's all tying together, man. It's all tying together, man. We're in the web of the matrix or the web of spider man, man, spider man. Anyway, he's fallen down there.

42:59Whoa. And then matrix man, matrix man. And then he, he hits the ground and, uh, yeah. Tell us about this effect. He hits the ground. Yeah. I was saying off mic, like of all the effects, cause most of the effects in this, you know, beyond the fact that like bullet-time and stuff now it's kind of dated in our heads because, you know, it was so synonymous with the early 2000s. It's overexposure with that. I think. yeah. But it's actually still a perfectly good effect. It's like, yeah, it looks, it looks as well as it's ever going to look. Beat episode one in the Academy Awards. Hmm. Yeah. And plus countless episodes of Smallville where they just ripped it off shamelessly. Right. But,

43:39um, so like that all looks great. Him going into the ground is the worst effect in the whole film. I feel like it was some kind of last minute thing. I don't know. But in my defense, it's defense. I think it's supposed to look kind of stupid. Oh, maybe cause like the program. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is something tank put in to cushion your fall when you're falling down. So you don't, so you don't kill yourself. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's all I can say in its defense. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's not, it's a perfectly valid defense as well, you know, but at the same time, it does take you out of the film a little bit of been like, Oh, that effect's pretty stupid, but you know, it's, you have to just roll with the punches and these things, you know, true, true.

44:20There's a great screenshot. Jacob just found. It's hilarious. We're going to, we're going to share that up real quick. Ha ha. We can laugh at it again. And just like we did in that one episode where we were laughing at the stunt double for, uh, for Neo as he's sliding down the tubes and no one could see what's going on because this is obviously an audio format podcast where you can't even see. Yeah. Did you guys see the link, uh, the, I sent you of somebody did a version of this, but it's not the graphic of, you know, I'm landing in the butter, but it's like a glitch that would work in a video game. He starts freaking out. Did you see the video I sent you? No. What? For, for this, for this. Okay. I'll, I'll find it and I'll send it to you guys.

45:03And, uh, by the way, the, uh, jelly fall that Neo did is obviously inspired by, uh, Looney tunes. Oh, is it? Yeah. Oh, it is. Yeah. Yes. Oh, that's why it's probably, that's why it probably feels a bit off. It's a, the looney tunes, like the Kauai O'Koyote. Yep. Falling in the ground and just leaving the, the mark. And that's it. I just kind of wish they'd had the, that they had Neo have like a little wooden sign on the way down saying like, help or something. Like, I saw this there at the camera for a second. Yeah, man. I mean, that wouldn't be far off from, uh, what you can do in the matrix. What I just wanted to say was that, excuse me, uh, that fall after he goes through the little blubbery road and he comes back up and comes

45:46back down. Yeah. It's really painful. It still does. Right. Yeah. Yeah. When you watch him fall. Cause he, cause then falls down as well. So he just kind of lands on it. but that's the other portion of this, uh, of this program to teach you another thing. I know. Hmm. Can you imagine like Morpheus sitting with tank? Like, so tank, we need to make, we need to make a program. Another program. Here's my ideas. And he brings, three ideas on crayon. Yeah. So this is the building here, building a building B. I'm going to tell the person to free their mind. I'm going to jump over the other building. And also it's going to be really great. Jump tank. It's going to be beautiful. And then he's like, and if, if they're, if it looks like they're making it, can you write it? So the building moves a little bit.

46:27So, so they miss it. I have to, I have to teach them. Tank. I have to teach them. You understand, right? Tank. You understand. That's probably why no one ever makes it. He programmed it. So it's unreachable. Only for Morpheus. He's a stinky old man. When they're done, like after two hours of hard work and programming. Great job, Tank. Great job. I think we have a great program. Save it as Morpheus is the best jumper. Dot program. The high score will always be M-O-R. Yeah. Yeah. On the jump program. Anyway, I think we've spoken enough about this. Any 96 scripts? I was thinking of saving that for the next episode. Cause this one is, this one's pretty packed.

47:07Yeah. I have to say. Well, I think that's the end. We just abruptly stopped this episode and I hope you will join us on Wednesday. You can find us on the matrix minute dot one and you can ask us a question on the email device. So no, we have something to mention today. We have something to mention today. I will never talk about this again. We have our usual plugs, but today we want to make a shout out to our good friend, Seb, who wrote an email to us. Yes. Yes. Seb, it was your email we were talking about earlier. The last couple episodes ago. Brilliant email. Just fantastic. Thank you so much for writing in. We loved it. It encouraged us, helped us out in our podcasting endeavors.

47:48Yes. It was great. And we'll check out that movie they were talking about at some point. Yes. We didn't have time recently. Phil and I are moving and Tim was busy and stuff like that, but we'll, we'll get to that eventually and talk about it on the podcast. Seb, you're the man. Also, Niall, you're the man too. Absolutely. For tolerating our, our, our, our tangents and me being very quiet. So, now tell, tell everyone where they can find you, et cetera. Uh, yeah. Uh, I am also one of the co-hosts of the podcast Batman 89, where, uh, we do the same thing you guys are doing right here three days a week, but we do it with the 1989 Tim Burton Batman film.

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49:53So I think it's, if he, if he set up one, he knows about it. I don't know about that. I know the Facebook, the, the Batman at 89 listeners group, where we like, I'm more active on there and the Twitter, which I regularly check. But beyond that, I think we may even have a Pinterest as far as I, I don't know, but like, uh, that's good. You know, if you just Google us, you'll find us, you'll find us. If you want, if you, if you search, you will find, you know, so that is a good mantra. If you search, you will find. Thanks again, Niall. And we'll be back Wednesday. Wednesday. With more Niall. Enjoy the rest of your week. Until Wednesday. If you tune in on Wednesday. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can listen to us. Shut up.

50:33We're done. Bye.