Minute 29: “A prison for your mind.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00The Matrix Minute, a podcast where we discuss the first film one minute at a time because we just love this movie. And I am Phil, and Neo is not only an anagram of one, but also means new in Latin. My name is Jake and with me is Tim. And my name is Tim and with me is Jake. Oh, look at that. I'm alone on an island. There's Phil with us too. Phil doesn't do any work for this podcast. He doesn't do any research. No, I just show up. He doesn't do all the notes and all the pre-production. Yeah. I didn't ask for an extra 30 minutes so I could do notes today. You didn't, no. Me and Tim were doing all the work. We were doing all the research. We did all the research.

0:40You just freeload and kind of pretend to make up philosophical topics or just kind of riff off of us. And then also, once in a while, just poke fun at us. And so, you know, that's pretty much all you do. Yep. But we do all the work. So. Everything. Welcome to minute 29, guys. 29. Ah, we're reaching 30. How do you feel being so close to like half an hour? I didn't know that. I thought we were like 20 minutes in. Yeah. That's the first in four half hours. We are 29 minutes in. Yeah. Each episode is a minute. Keep forgetting that one minute is one episode. Me too. I forgot. Um, this is close to, um, our first half hour.

1:21We have three more half hours after this. Oh, that's not bad. Okay. We can do this. I was worried. We can do it. We can do it. What are you worried about? Look, the thing is, worst case scenario, we just completely hijack the podcast and just talk a little bit about the scene and the rest, whatever else we want. Yeah. I've not going to name any names here, but I've heard a few, uh, minute by movie, movie by minute podcasts where they talk a little bit about a scene and then they start talking about I'm saying we can do that worst case scenario. At least we'll have finished the whole thing. You can say, you know, matrix minute, you can listen to the first third and then you can stop after the first third. At least we, you know, we know how to do that. So we can vamp. So I got, I got some news for you today.

2:02Give us. This is, this is very, this is, uh, not just some news, but also some, um, retro fitting, not retro fitting, but like I have to, um, you know, uh, get my facts right. And I didn't last time. Oh yeah. And that was for a minute 26, I think, where I messed up by saying that the, the Adam street bridge was in Batman begins when in fact it was the Franklin street bridge, which was in Batman begins. And ironically, that's the one that we keep crossing the most when we were in, when we were in Franklin bridge. Yeah. The Franklin street bridge. We, you know, that's the one with those big, um, guard, girders, garters, I don't know those are the big metal, the big metal, um, fences.

2:43The girders. Isn't that like a pantyhose girder? Is someone begging girders? Um, ironically, but, but yeah, that's what I wanted to say is, yeah, but what I wanted to say is, um, they're all in the same river, the Chicago river and the Chicago loop. Cool. Okay. So we messed that up. I'm downtown Chicago. You messed it up. And there's some, you know, I got some news for you. Oh, sweet. Let's hear some news. I'm ready. Ready for news corner. News. Are they making another matrix movie? Is this the news? Is this the breaking news? Did you talk to Wachowski themselves? Yeah, hold on until the page loads because, like, you know, it's bad. Okay. So Elon Musk issues a stark warning about AI. I know. I remember this. Calls it a bigger threat than North Korea. Oh, my goodness.

3:23Tesla CEO Elon Musk fired off an ominous warning. We should get Elon on the podcast and then he'll be against the reality, Tim. The robots. About the, oh, you're talking about, you're talking about robots or you're talking about AI? AI. Yeah. I'm talking about the, the matrix hypothesis that we talked about last time. I just want to send him that gif of the robot I send you. Be like, what was that gif? World domination, you say? And then post the awesome robot. The poor little robot trying to put the box. It was a robot in like an office who didn't do a really good job placing the box. He was walking quite well, but then he sort of just kind of trashed everything like a drunken man. And I love how at the end he gives up and he falls.

4:05We're like, my life is over. If I hate this, I will never get hired. My internship is over. We'll link the link. Yeah. Will we? Or will we forget? We will forget. Remind us. Okay. Well, that's about it. He really didn't say much else. So he's warning about AI being a bigger threat than North Korea. But I thought AI in general is good. By the way, I saw a chart, which is very interesting, showing hypothetically what the possibility is of AI or probably machines, not necessarily AI, just machines taking over manual labor and certain jobs. And it was interesting. It showed you like approximately what decades, what jobs would be replaced.

4:47It took like almost like a century for certain jobs to be completely replaced by robots. Well, you'll see. You'll see. In a few years, AI is going to take us over, man. The shackles of fascism are starting now. The thing is that I don't think Elon Musk is talking about that kind of thing. He's really talking about like- It's taking jobs. Evil, smart, smart. No, I don't think he's talking about that. He doesn't care about that. Oh, he's talking about- He's talking about- Evil AI. Sorry. He's not talking about jobs being taken over. I'm talking about two different things. He probably loves that. I was just going on a related tangent about robots. Not AI, just robots taking over certain jobs. But this is obviously about AI. We can pretend we're robots. I am a robot. I am a robot. I don't think- I am a robot.

5:27I think that sort of- Hello, sir. I love Elon Musk. I love Elon Musk. He is my father. Elon Musk. It's a wask. What? What wow? This is the two robots talking. It was pretty good. Join us. Join us. Meow. Yes. Your vocaloid controller is broken. It is inevitable. You need an upgrade. Meow. I am a robot. Meow. I am a robot. I am to sing. And this is the moment where people switch it off and wait for the next episode. I am sending you an upgrade. Okay. File uploading now. Okay. This is a good file to be uploaded. Okay, so the point is that Elon Musk thinks that AI will be bad.

6:12Will do something bad. Like just like evil. He's like betray humans. I don't believe in that. Either. There's no way AI is so stupid. Yeah, I think- Tim, you naysayer. I'll be on the side of the machines when this happens. Look at dogs. They're so smart. They're so smart. Their AI is much better than anything, you know. Well, listen, no, guys. It's close to a robot. Have you ever seen them take it over the world? No. I read about this. Public science is based on mathematics. Listen. Listen. I read about it. I read an article once. It was a very good article. Okay. I made a good point that the way AI right now research is going is going in the wrong direction because we're using traditional computing style programming.

6:52Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's not adaptive. Which is logic-based and based on decisions and trees and branches and stuff. Yes. Which we know the human mind doesn't work like that. It's a network, a neural network. And so the article is just saying how if we want to do that, we need to go and look at the human brain and see how that works and then try to replicate that. Yeah. You have to have some kind of learning that they need to- Yeah, and it has to be organic based where the computer could somehow, where that magic consciousness sauce would work. Conscious sauce. Okay. I mean, there's been a lot of sensationalist kind of articles. Like, you're like a conscious sauce. Robots, listen to me. Yes. You know that article when they're like, oh, these two AI machines were talking to each

7:35other and they developed their own language because it was faster? Yeah, guess what? And you read that article. I know what it is. They just, all they did was like, let's say, so if instead of saying, you know, oh, give me five apples, it would go give me apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, apple, you know? Because that's faster. That's all they did. It didn't do anything. It's not like invented a new language. It's just kind of like shortcutted some stuff because it's quicker. Yeah, but guys, Skynet. What? Skynet. Of course. Skynet. Skynet. Okay. But anyway, I don't know. I really don't know. But I just think that from what I can tell is that I think that, I don't know. I think we can reason with them when they come. Are they doing, are they making progress though in AI?

8:17For real? No, not the way we kind of think of like in fiction or sort of philosophical kind of sense. Is it fake AI in the sense that we're just fooled? We're just fooled by the, by the computers? I mean, you know, buzzwords. Like the Turing test? You know that one? It's buzzwords on news. Because I remember, I was getting a little nervous about this whole North Korea thing and, you know, Trump and everything. And I don't want to get into politics, but all I did was, I was reading a bunch of articles with all those crazy headlines. Yes. Like, Asia alarmed because of Trump's statement. And then I read the whole thing and it's like, oh, okay. That's classic. They weren't really alarmed. News sensationalism. Yeah. So, yeah. The thing is like, you know, when you, when you're thinking like that direction, like

9:00how they're thinking, most of the stuff, the buzzwords were machine learning. If you watch the last Apple keynote, everything was machine learning, machine. I mean, most of the stuff that, as far as I've seen, the machine learning was like image recognition. That's, that's getting better. Like they can, you know, you give them a couple of images and they dissect that. And then later on, they can, you know, yeah, but again, that's the whole thing is that they're basically using data to, yeah, they're just making a huge database. Yes. Instead of manually inputting. The machine isn't going, oh, that's Jacob. He stole my money. That man has my money. Okay. Yeah. By the way, minute 28, 29.

9:42Yes, it is. Philip. Well, minute 29. Are you ready? Yeah, Philip. It's all your fault. Let's get back into the matrix. You don't do any research. Where everything is peaceful and the matrix and the machines actually won and enslaved us all. So that's where we are. By the way, quick question to prolong this. Yes. Do you think the humans in the matrix world can ever repair the scorched sky? Who cares? Probably if they can make up this whole craziness that I have, the machines. And they can code. I don't know what they did. They did something weird there. Can I, can I, I'm sorry, I'm done. Oatmeal or tuna fish, then they can fix scorched. Go on. I'm sorry.

10:22So minute 29. Morpheus continues and concludes his statement that Neo is born in a prison for his mind. So he finally gives the big trailer line. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. He offers him the blue pill or the red pill. After this, there is no turning back. Story ends and he wakes up and believes whatever he wants to believe. Or he stays in Wonderland and sees how deep the rabbit hole goes. What will Neo do? Wow, that was, that was not planned at all.

11:02Cool. Very nice. And this is the choice. It's the red pill, the blue pill moment. This is the matrix moment. Or at least one of the most recognizable. Yeah, it is a moment in the matrix. I ran out of time. So it was a good minute, guys. Yeah, I enjoyed that. I did too. I think that was a good minute. We watched it. We got a lot accomplished. And we obviously are very knowledgeable about this AI stuff. We're very knowledgeable. I think very useful information was shared. Okay, so you can follow us on Twitter. Email us on ask at the matrix minute dot one. Exactly. We're going to be interacting with you guys all the time.

11:44Yeah. And thanks. All right. Yeah. Take the red pill. Bye. Okay, we're back. That was a joke. And that was if you took the blue pill. Oh, yeah. But you're not going to. I mean, if you wanted to, you could. Obviously, there's always a blue pill moment. After this, there was no turning back. In our case, there's always a turning back. You can always switch us off and never listen to us again. But hey. Okay. Unsubscribe. Let's analyze this scene. So, he goes, unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. That's the perfect trailer, you know, advertisement, right? Wait, I have a great little comment. So, if they were making the matrix and if it was an indie film and they would start, you know, they want to do a Kickstarter and stuff like that, they would be like, that

12:25would be on their business card. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. Help us make that movie, guys. That's what it is. Yeah. Oh, man. I had such a great thing. Think about your thing. But that's a great line. I think that's perfect for marketing, perfect for this movie. And it fits perfectly with what Morpheus is trying to explain here. Sure. And then he has this deluxe cigarette case like Agent Smith does. But instead of forcing something on Neo, he gives him a choice. Big difference. Remember? Smith goes, you're going to help us whether you want to or not. But Morpheus opens the cigarette case thing and he goes, you take the blue pill or you take the red pill. And there we are.

13:07We're at the pills. The pills, they are... They're here. Where do these pills come from? Because that's a genius idea. And I think it's very, at this point, it's... I'm missing the word. Not legendary. Iconic, I would say. Iconic. It's one of the films' standout images. Standout. And used in many different instances besides from this movie afterwards. You know, it's sort of like its imagery or any sort of like a... You know, I can't speak today at all. Symbolism. I'd rather shut up. Symbolism. I guess symbolism. Symbolism. Symbolism. Someone on Twitter said that apparently this is just Dayquil and Nyquil.

13:47Not Dayquil. Not Dayquil. Yeah. What? Like, you know, the brand. What would that mean? Sleeping pills, sleeping stuff. Oh, okay. Where did the pills come from? Do we know? Can we go to 1996? What is happening here? What do you mean? Like, you mean what was the origin of the idea of the pills? Yeah. Yeah. Do they ever talk about it? Well, my offhand theory is... I'm afraid I'll have no information for this because... Well, I have theories for you. I've been scouring the internet. It's very difficult getting information for this film, by the way. I just think that... It's not like Indiana Jones where there's a bunch of stuff going on. Yeah, no. That's weird, right? Indiana Jones has that whole meeting thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My theory is that the Wachowskis, given that they wrote this script and took them a long time to write it, I think that they were just coming up with really new ways how to present things and present ideas and present visual elements and stuff like that.

14:35So I think they just came up with this, no? I guess. The idea of like, just, oh, instead of doing some kind of, I don't know, action sequence or something, just do pills and that'll symbolize picking to go further. And I think it's a very interesting choice of color because, well, you know, we have the one pill, blue pill, which represents sort of the easy way, the comfort way. Oh, I didn't think about that. Which is blue color of peace. You know, it's like, and then you have the red piece and ignorance. Which is like, yeah, like red colors. And then you have red, hard, you know, the hard work. But it is the truth. That's right. The hard truth. You must face the hard truth.

15:15Not the easy lies. Usually red, you know, usually when you're in video games or something like that, green is usually associated with go. Well, it's not video games, it's even, you know, lights for the traffic. It's like approved. Green is like, oh, I go, that's green. Then I go there and red is stopped. Okay, I must go here. So it's interesting that, you know, the red is the one that makes you go. Yeah, but compared to blue, red is energetic and it's warm and it's all about releasing. And also blue could be like a sedative, you know, just sleeping. Passive and sleepy. Even though it's the best color of all time. Yeah, if somebody gave me any color, I would never probably choose red. That's right. Hey, Tim, monitor just like get these studio monitors that have red cones.

15:55Yeah, but red might be those spicy candies from... Hot tamales? Yeah. Tim would avoid those. He'd be like, no. I do not eat red. So anyway, there's this wonderful close-up. Close-up? What am I talking about? There's this wonderful wide shot showing... This has happened in previous minutes as well, but I just wanted to mention it. I'm just, you know, I'm just a... A huge... A broken record. Yeah, I'm a sucker for silhouettes and wide shots. So, you know, I just... Looking at this wide shot... There are a lot of silhouettes here. With the backlight. Just makes me feel happy. And Morpheus, how he... Look at his cool shoes. They're cool. Man, I gotta get some shoes. He's got some like semi-boots going on. So when Morpheus opens his hands and shows him the different pills. And there's two close-ups of that, right?

16:38Tell us. The music kicks in. The music comes in. Bum, bum, bum. It's like a metronomic rhythm. It's a... Wow, I never noticed that ever. Bum, bum. It has like that little... You know, when you hit a piano's strings in the back? Dun, dun, dun. They're not a harp? Could also be a harp. They're very similar in that regard. Yeah, so that's kind of... Do they have flavors, you think? Like he drinks it? No. No? Oh, yeah. Let's select the... What would you like? Hot tamale. Raspberry. No, strawberry. No, I think red would be more like... Strawberry. Chili fruit. Like mango and chili together. How about just cherry?

17:19Fruity. That's classic. Ew, I hate cherry. Because fake cherry. Because there's no... Okay, so if you were there with Morpheus, he would say, here's the cherry one. Ew, I hate cherry. Wait. Trinity? Trinity? The big boy wants a... I think the blue, because it looks... It's a raspberry. He wants a raspberry pill. You like raspberry? Yeah, even fake raspberry's good. Okay. But fake cherry's disgusting. Bring the fake raspberry from Mr. Tim. No, no, no, no. I'd pick cherry over raspberry. Anything cherry flavor sucks, unless it's an actual cherry. Why? Cherry's good. It's like grape. Nothing great. Tim, we got you Starburst. The fake banana flavor. Yes. That's horrible. Fake banana flavor. The one they invented in the 50s and they've still been using until now? Horrible.

17:59Did you know... Well, this may be lies. I don't know. Somebody told me this. But the fake banana tastes like actual bananas that... That's what I'm saying. ...are from one region, and then the other bananas... But fake banana... Yeah, it's kind of sucky. But I think cherry, fake cherry is the worst. And fake grape. I'll tell you what's a boring flavor. Fake strawberry. Oh, God, that's so bad. Anyway, so that's... One of them is cherry that Tim is not going to pick. I would take it, though, as well. And the other one, what would the blue one be? Mint. Blue raspberry. Like, cool mint. Ice Glacier. Ice Glacier. That's so different. Because they always have the mints. Cool. Well, if this was... If this was the United States, it would be blueberry. That's what I'm saying. No. Yeah, blueberry or blue raspberry. Did you notice that there is no blueberry flavored candies here?

18:40Blackberry. There's no blueberry flavored candies here. Except in the States. In the States, there's always blueberry everything. You know what it could be? What is fake strawberry? Oh, man. If only it had purple. Grape. Tastes pretty good, to be honest. I love fake grape. Nothing like a curry. Grape soda. A few Americans growing up on fake flavors. And fake flavors. I love that. I know. It's like grape Kool-Aid. We have so many different Oreos, though. That would be... That would be... I know. You guys always... You're so nice. You always bring me all this American stuff, like Kool-Aid and Starburst. What did you think? Yeah, Starburst. It's like... What is this, Ian? What about Starburst? What did you think of that? That's what I wanted to know. Yeah. I don't know. I wasn't very... I mean, you know, it has to be something that you grew up with, because it's like... I agree. Like, for me, it's like bursting with flavor, Starburst.

19:22It's like the cherry one, especially. It's too strong. It's like... Tim. Fakeness. Fakeness is too strong. You also tried Kool-Aid, but then again, Kool-Aid is not considered like any kind of great drink, but it is a drink of your childhood. Yeah. That's why I didn't care for it. No. I grew up on Sedevita, which is another kind of like, you know, like a... What's it called? A powder-based... A powder drink. Yeah, yeah. Drink. I don't like to drink it. It's bad. I like it. It's fine. That's fine. I don't like it. You grew up on it. I like it. I didn't grow up on it, but I like it. There you go. I think it's not enough, you know, just to be sweeter. Dude, the American way is a good thing. It needs to be sweeter. More sugar. More flavor. It needs more flavor.

20:02Yeah. So anyway, let's go back to the minute here. So fruit flavor. To be honest, this may be one of the most iconic images in the film. Yes, I was going to say. But it's hard for us to say anything more than what he's giving him a choice for. Like he's saying, take this pill or take that pill. There's only two ways out of this. Do you want to leave the cave or stay? And all the content is in this one is just, take it or not. Our way or the highway. You know? It's the choice. I mean, this sort of, I guess, metaphor for the, you know, these two choices have been portrayed visually in different ways. You know, there's the easy highway or, you know, just the crooked or the hard way through

20:43the mountains. I also like that he mentions. That's always, you know, similar things. Let me see if he mentions this this time. Yeah, I like the sentence, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. That's also a good example. Someone's going to have to tuck him in. You're right. You're right. Who is it this time? Cypher? I thought it would be you, but that was wrong. And being such iconic imagery, I mean, it was used for so many things. And you always have good things and you always have bad things. Just like the Nazis used the swastika for, you know, as their image for something absolutely horrible. And then the swastika, the symbol of life has been kind of ruined for Europe and America.

21:23Yeah, that's a Hindi thing, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, this isn't as dramatic, but the red pill has been a symbol for this sort of, I guess, it's not sexist, but it's like manpowering kind of movement. I don't know if you guys ever read about this about the story. It's like the red pills. Like we look at, you look at like, it's like a extreme communist stuff. Is this post-Matrix movie? Post-Matrix is red. Yes, this is a post-Matrix movie. And it's about, it's like the red pill, you know, like take the truth. Are you serious? It's basically like a counter movement to feminism. It's like, oh, now the women have too much power now. And us men, you know, like talking about, oh, divorces are too, you know, in favor of the women. I didn't know this. Seriously? That's the red pill stuff.

22:04And then there's also very big extreme, like on Reddit, there's like subreddits, the red pill. And it's just like, if you read this stuff, it's absolutely horrible. It's like, oh, women have all the rights. This is the complete, like you said, yeah, opposite where it's like anti-feminism, like sort of like, I don't know how to put it, I suppose, like, like bringing back the traditional, I suppose. Yeah. And it's even, it's like horrible. Like I read like, oh, we have instructions how to deal with a woman. It's like, you have to, basically. I can't believe we're talking about this. They were talking about one was like, like how to date women. And it's like, this is the steps. Yes, exactly. And it's like, just trick them into believing this and that. And it's just like, what? And ignore them. And you have to like, it just basically it's abuse.

22:46So, you know, don't ever do that. That's not cool. Now I recall, but I completely forgot about that. Cool. But that is sad. That's a great image. That is sad that the red pill has taken such shapes. Yeah, but it is associated with the Matrix, unfortunately, you know. Oh. That's terrible. Yeah. So, you know, ironically, the directors are transgender women. Yeah. I know. It's sad stuff. So, Philip, can you tell me the glasses shot? Is that fake? Are those spoons on his eyes? What's going on there? Yes. This is a shot that was specifically envisioned by the Wachowskis. They actually drew a picture of it as well. And I can, I'll be glad to show it to you. Oh, is it their amazing drawings? The personal drawing. Either Lily or Lana, one of them drew this picture and it's wonderful.

23:29My favorite drawing from them is the one of Trinity in front of the laptop. Oh, yeah. I posted it on Facebook. She looks like she's that guy. That's a great one. It looks like Trinity is that watermelon cat. Yeah. With the watermelon on her head. No, it's a lime, I think. Oh, lime. Sorry. Yeah, lime skin. Yeah, cap. And this is, so this is one of those things that, according to Phil Osterhaus, if you remember, he was the assistant to the Wachowskis when they were filming this film. And he was talking about the glasses and the reflection of Neo's face with the two pills in it. So he said that no one cared because it looked simple to do. So, you know, we have that shot with the reflection. It's fine. We'll film it. But once it came time to film it, it became difficult to do because you have to film the

24:15reflection in there, both in focus. And it's a direct, like the camera's pointing directly towards Morpheus. So it turned out to be a computer visual effect. Yeah. I wonder how those original shots turned out because clearly. And I do. I would love. I would kill to see, you know, the dailies of this. Practical. I bet you would see one pill. It's Lawrence Fishburne wearing lime green. Oh, you mean the final ones with the. Lime green. Glasses. Glasses. Where he can't see through them. But no, you know, this is better. It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't lime green glasses. It was glasses covered in lime green, basically either paper or material. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously. So then later they can go in visually.

24:57Yeah. Visual effects. And if you do look closely, and no one's going to catch this really, but some of the tracking is off because it probably was a manual thing. Let me see. Nowadays we can use After Effects and stuff and it'll track things just about 99% perfect. But back then they had to do it frame by frame. But you know, I actually think that they nailed it. It still looks great. It looks good. It still looks good. Because they nailed the aesthetic. It kind of keeps in form with that grimy sort of almost a little bit out of this worldly look. You know, it's not necessarily super in line with physics, but that's great because I just associate with sort of, remember later when Neo... I sent you guys the picture if you want to see.

25:38Where Neo does the whole there is no spoon thing. Like sort of that. It's sort of that, you know, you kind of question... Wibbly wobbly aesthetic? Yeah. You sort of question things and sort of... It's nothing to do with like physically being weird. It's just the aesthetic is cool. Yeah. And of course on one side of his glasses is the blue pill choice and the other one is the red pill choice. So good. I love that. I think that's one of the best shots ever. I sent you the picture. Okay, let me see that. Oh my goodness. The drawing. The funny thing is only after a few viewings that I noticed that the image is actually, you know, there's two reflections, you know, one from each side and you can have the two. I just kind of... I honestly didn't realize that... Are you serious? Even Neo is like... You obviously see there's one pill's different color, but you can even see Neo's, you know,

26:21like from a different perspective. And I was like... So I was blown away. I just thought it was two little hands there. But did you know that the first shot of the glasses only has... Yeah, because he's mentioning the blue pill. He doesn't open the red pill later. Yeah. So that's a classic shot. Now find out what pill Neo chooses next time on the Matrix Minute. No, no, no. He picks both. Both pills are in this minute, guys. Well, no. We don't know which one he picks. Oh, we don't know which one he picks, obviously. Well, what do you think I was doing? What? Oh. But the Reveal is... Shut up. No, the Reveal is podcast. We never watched the Matrix before. We're watching it for the first time.

27:01Speaking of which... That's what I'm saying. On the next episode, we'll find out which one he chooses. Speaking of which, show host Gary Roby Jr., who is doing Harry Potter Minute and... Sweet. Ferris Bueller Minute. He went on to the Mogwai Minute. Shout out to all those podcasts, by the way. Yeah, totally. Shout out to you guys. Gary's going to be on our podcast soon. Oh, awesome. And he went on the Mogwai Minute, and they were talking about one minute from Gremlins, and he never saw the movie. No way. Really. I always feel like most people have seen Gremlins. I wonder if he has seen it. I've only seen it now. Try it three times. Hey, Gary, if you're listening, tell me! Tell me! Tell us, please. Wait, Tim, you haven't seen Gremlins?

27:42I did, and it took me three times to watch it. Wow. Wow. You're a fan. You're a big fan. Yeah. You're as much a fan of Gremlins as you are Peter Jackson's King Kong. And Starburst. I don't know. It starts off so, so classic old Spielberg, and it's just like, uh... And then by the end, they're like wearing clothes. I don't know what that movie's about. What movie? Gremlins? Are we talking about Gremlins? Are we talking about Gremlins? What are you talking about? Are you talking about Gremlins 2 or Gremlins? Gremlins 1. When the little bugger, he gives him and you can't put water on him because then he gives birds a little weird one. Spielberg produced and he directed. But that beginning is so Spielbergian. There's like a little fog and it's like, what's a mystery? Don't buy this. And it's like, oh, I've seen this so many times. I'm not 12.

28:23It's not working for me. I just couldn't watch it. And then I watched it and then they have clothes, the little ones. And they have a bar. Yeah, they do. There's a hoker one. They do. And there's like a flasher one. Yeah, there's a flasher one you remember well. You mean the Gremlins? Yes. Yeah. Yes. You remember that well. I'm sorry. Gremlins is one of my favorite movies. So. I think it's pretty good. I wouldn't say it's a favorite movie, but. I like it a lot. I like the second one too. I need to see that. We need to end this. Okay. So Matrix, come up next time. We're going to talk more about the pills. And we're going to talk about Neo. And we're going to talk about cool things. Yeah, you can follow us at places. And we'll catch you next time. No, no.

29:03At the Matrix. Follow us on the street. No, no. Follow us at ask at the matrix minute dot one. Also Twitter at the matrix minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can minute us there. I mean. I mean. You can follow our email. You can. We'll give you the logins for our emails. Yeah. You can look at the emails. You can look at the emails yourself. Okay. The password is. But you'll be very disappointed. One, two, three, four. You'll be very disappointed seeing that. Yeah. We don't get mailed. We don't get mailed. We would love just like, you know, one email. Also, give us some good old likes on iTunes. Speaking of which, the guys at Terminator 2 Minute, I think. Yeah, I think that's them. They wrote us a great review. T2 Minute where they do a second two minutes of Terminator 2.

29:44Well, I don't know if it's them, but I know the username was like T2 something. Yeah. T2B2? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah. They give us wonderful things. Wonderful things. They give us a great review. They're amazing. I love their podcast, too. I haven't listened to it, so I apologize. I'm looking at the image you send of Morpheus. What is that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Little flame people in his glasses. Oh, man. I thought you already saw it. You didn't even laugh because you thought, Phil, that's poor taste. No, I just saw it. Little flame people. Look at them in his eyes. He's like a madman. He's watching the world burn. Those are one of Lily or Lana's artistic talents there. It's amazing. I love seeing that, to be honest. It's almost as good as Steven Spielberg's drawings.

30:27Have you seen those? Oh, yes. Have you seen those, Tim? You should see some of his amazing drawings. It's like, you don't know if it's like avant-garde experimental art or what. Or like a six-year-old drawing. He actually had to count how many fingers he was drawing because he forgot. It's amazing. But just goes to show. It goes to show. Goes to show. You can be an amazing visualist and not have any skill. It goes to show just that everyone has different abilities. And just because you're bad at something doesn't mean you're not amazing at other things. Thank you, teacher. Thank you. Goodbye. That is the end of class. Do your homework. Do your research. Your homework is to rate us on iTunes.

31:09Kidding. Okay, let's go. No more begging. Voluntary. We're not begging. Class dismissed. This isn't begging. I was giving an assignment to the class who's listening. Yeah. But now class is dismissed and I have corrected myself. It is not obligatory. You can do it if you want. Goodbye. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye. What an amazing episode. I don't know if it's the worst episode or... Vid