Minute 117: “My name is Neo.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00The Matrix Minute, a podcast where we discuss a podcast from one minute at a time because we love this movie so much. Hello, hello, greetings and salutations. You give me so much at one time. This is your host. Yes, I do. My, my. May have bigger for you. Bigger. Okay, I'm so sorry. Wait. Yeah, that's great. Okay, I apologize, everybody. This was not meant to happen.

0:41I'm sorry for this, everybody listening. Why are you apologizing again? Well, I'm just saying because this was quite erratic and, you know, I don't think people. Again. Can you imagine someone going, okay, time to listen to the Matrix podcast and he's like going for a work commute. I know, I know. And then making stupid sounds. You know what? This is the podcast that I like. It's like a fine wine. We didn't ease you, dear listener, into the crazy monkey ape sounds. Especially on a Monday. This is not what you asked for. Going to work. It's not good. Do you know what I was thinking of the worst? Sorry, guys. I'm sorry. Imagine if, you know. Public apology by the Matrix Minute. Imagine if I brought in the pilot. Oh, no. That would start.

1:21Kill people. Kill their speakers in their cars. I have a question for you, listener, who is listening out there right now. Do you remember the pilot? Do you remember the pilot? The pilot that we sometimes bring in? That's the true hardcore fan question. Twitter poll. Do you know who the pilot is? That's right. Do you? Do you? Or do you not? Anyway, we're all alone again. What about Johnny? Obviously. Johnny the... Johnny the organ player. The worst organ player ever. He was pretty bad. Tim, I have to say that it was horrible. I know. The plan was so bad. I was expecting... I was expecting church music.

2:01I was expecting... Like soul. Soul music. Hammond organ. You know, skater rink. Yeah. Music. Johnny was inebriated that night, unfortunately. He was in one of his moods where he's like, I'm going to play, you know, abstract jazz. Yeah. Abstract jazz. Loose. Those are loose terms. I wanted to say that. Okay, go on. Say what you wanted to say. Abstract is one thing. Jazz. Woo! Well, that's, you know... It's abstract, sort of like... It's very... Avant-garde. Avant-garde, but I think the style is called Neanderthal.

2:45I think it's... Yeah. One, two... Sorry, I mispronounced this. Neanderthal. Really? Neanderthal. Neanderthal. It's like new, you know, like Neanderthal. Well, I got an idea. Let's just... Before we go into the minute, let's just talk about how was our week? Well, my week this week was... It was like the first I think we ever, ever talked about this. Yeah, yeah. That's okay. My week this week was... You know what I'm doing? I'm re-watching all the Marvel Studios films. Oh, good, good, good. Yeah. Where are you at? I am now... Yesterday, I finished watching Iron Man 3.

3:26So... Yeah. Wait, wait. Are you going chronological? Yes, I am. Interesting. Wait, chronological or like release? Sorry. Release, release. Release. Thank you. Because I think there's some weird people who like to skip things about. But I think release is the best way. Even like the Star Wars stuff. Yeah. Just to go by release. Because then you have the frame of reference. I don't know. It feels weird to go like... Yeah. And what say you so far? I agree. Well, I wanted to say that watched Thor. Haven't seen that since probably 2011. Since Thor's day. Yeah. Since it was released probably as well. Then I watched Captain America First Avenger. Haven't seen that since then. And Iron Man 2. Haven't seen that like since who knows when. I don't... I had no idea. It was probably the worst, right? Like as far as...

4:07Yeah. But all of them, I have to say, I liked better than I thought I did. Oh. I enjoyed them all better than I thought I enjoyed them before. And I believe it was because my state of mind back then, a little bit more cynical. Probably. And now without the hype, without anything, just watching it by itself, most of them were very engaging. I was engaged and I actually liked Thor because that was interesting for me because I liked that, you know, the guy had a pretty strong arc. You know what I mean? Like he was this douche at the beginning who was like super prideful and wanted to do things his own way. And then in the end, spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen this film since 2011.

4:48Yeah. He comes up to that big pizza oven monster. Yes. And he... Peter. Heater. Heater. And he actually... Radiator. Yeah. Radiator man. Yeah. He actually decides to defend these people he's known like for... Two minutes. A couple of days without any powers. And he was about to say, you know, you kill me if you want, but I'm going to defend them anyway. And that's how he gets... He becomes worthy. And I liked it. Becomes worthy. It's funny that I came to the same conclusion because they put a bunch of these on Netflix. So we were watching them as well like a couple of months ago. And I think what the big difference is, is that when these movies come out, they're like a big... Not a big event, but you're sort of...

5:28Movies... The best movies are when there's something a little bit more epic, something more grandiose. It's like something that happens. Like, you know, you are waiting. You see the trailer. You're going to go see this movie. It's going to be an event, right? The event of the movie. But some of these movies are not so eventful. They're more like character development or something smaller, like especially Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 and kind of going to a cinema and to watch this, it feels kind of underwhelming. But watching these sort of back to back, all in order, it becomes really like a TV series, more than a single movie. So they become like a continuous story and stories that are smaller or maybe more character kind of driven within like a series, like a TV show.

6:09You don't mind that at all. It's not like, oh, every episode has to have a grand opening and a finale and everything. So I think like that for me was like, oh, I actually can enjoy these movies without them being like, you know, craziness. Basically, instead of judging each film. You're judging it by how it's. Which is crazy. In the flow. That like, they managed to do this, like this whole, it's basically a TV series that exists, you know, that episode comes out every couple of months or every half a year. So true. And they're way better movies. What do you think? What's your assessment in the end, Phil and Tim? It works so far. I liked it. And I don't know, like, in my opinion, they still feel like movies, you know?

6:51Yeah, yeah. It's not like cheapo little. No, no. I just, I meant like, it's not like it's saying to be continued, you know? It's kind of like ending a story, you know? So that's cool. So there you go. I think it's fun. It was fun. And I have to say, Avengers was my favorite one. Still is my favorite one. It's a good one. And when I was watching it again, because now it's so interesting seeing the little details. This sounds a little bit generic, but like, for example, because I just watched Captain America before seeing Avengers. And then they're all talking about the Tesseract. But is it like direct continuation? Wasn't it? Yeah. Like Captain America was the last one that came out, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he wakes up. Yeah, that's like the stinger. And they're talking about making, yeah, they're talking about making weapons for, with the Tesseract.

7:35Like S.H.I.E.L.D. was going to do that. And it was like, oh, wow, wait, the Red Skull was doing this in, you know, in Captain America. I never made those connections because I watched them years apart, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it did. It kind of like makes more sense and things feel a bit more continued. And you can actually see sort of like an overall character arc to some characters. You can see how they're evolving, especially the main three. Like Aryan Man, Captain, and Thor. You have like, they have like sort of like a storyline. And it's pretty, it's pretty cool that they managed, like, you know. I need to see these movies again. Yeah, I know. I haven't seen Thor once. You're going to have to watch for yourself. Yeah, I guess I will. Since it came out, especially Iron Man 2. But it's okay, I can watch them now because I have good headphones. Oh, nice, yeah.

8:15For anyone interested, I have the Bear Dynamic DT880s. Which I took a long time to research. And I'm very, very happy with my purchase. Very good. Satisfied with the purchase. And they have nice, nice headphones. Would recommend. Would recommend. Go to, get the promo code. Yeah, wait. Matrix Minute on Biodynamic. That's right. Get 5% off. Biodynamic. Let me just double check I said that right. Before we even go, I just wanted to say Avengers, like at least the beginning of the film when they were talking about exposition. Like, what? I don't know how they made this movie, like, but it was perfect comic book stuff. Which one?

8:55It felt like a comic book. Avengers. I said that before when the movie came out, but I'm saying it now because I remember it. Since you watched Avengers recently. It was like perfect comic. Like, it was cheesy, but in the perfect way. That's the way it's supposed to be. Yeah. I was going to ask that question. I like that in the first Avengers movie, they never, the sort of like, oh, we're friends and let's show us being friends. The Avengers, that's never shown in the first one. Like, later on, they started to establish, like, sort of relationships between Avengers. But in the first one, they pretty much all are, like, kind of hate each other, which is amazing. It's like, there's never that, oh, we're best buds, aren't we? We're superhero friends. It's like, let's just do this, you know?

9:35Like, we have to do this. They're, like, making fun of each other. It's weird that they pulled it off, making it charming, but still it was like, like, looking at the details. Like, these guys are not. So how far are you, Phil, now, at this point in time? I'm going to watch Thor Dark World. Oh, well, I think that's, like, the lowest point, I think. Yeah, I'm going to watch Thor The Dark World today. I like watching the cinemas, Thor Dark World. And then Captain America Winter Soldier. Okay. See, after that, I get lost. I get lost. I think after. Then it's Guardians, and then it's Avengers 2, and then it's Ant-Man, and then it's... I forget. Besides Avengers 2, I think after Thor World, it kind of kicks into really good gear. Okay. Wow. Like, it's all, like, really solid stuff after that.

10:19I mean, Avengers 2, watching it again, it was so much better than watching it in a cinema. It was just like, ugh. It was kind of... Okay, because I haven't seen it since then. Yeah. I mean, neither did I. I was just, like, watching it again. And it... Especially if you pay attention more to the Avengers and stuff like that, that's good. Like, the bad guys, like, whatever. You know, Ultron is like, okay. Ooh, I'm Ultron. Cool, cool, cool, cool. Ah, ha, ha, ha. Cool. By the way, since we're, you know, in the past, we're not in the future. When does Avengers 2 or 3 come out? Like, end of April. April 27. 2018 Inhabitants. April 27. Yeah. April 27. That's like the... I think there's gonna be a trailer tomorrow. This year? Yes. Yes. Interesting. Finally a movie coming out and that's not two years ahead.

11:01Nope. Oh, yeah. They didn't even have a trailer for it until, like, a couple of months back. They're really, like... There's a trailer for it? Yeah. We watched it. Did we? You remember? I was like, get this man of shield. It's hard to remember because it's all flashy stuff. And there's Thanos with his... Yes. Tiny dated nose. Thanos with his... Right. What was he gonna say? Daddy Thanos. Engage the Defensers. What's the word that starts with the... Thanos and his... Thonogram? A thong. Thumbs. Thanos' thong. The thumb of Thanos. The thong of Thanos. The thong of Thanos. He's not looking for the... Whatever.

11:42Infinity Gauntlet. He's looking for his thong. What if he just has a lisp and he says Thanos and his name's Thanos? Thanos. He's doing Thanos. Sonos. He's doing Thanos, but everybody keeps... The thong of Thanos. The thong of Thanos. All right, guys. Well... By the way, this is... Is this like preparation for the road to infinity or whatever? Yeah, that's why I'm watching them all. I just want to see this. I want to say this is a little crossover. We barely do crossovers. But we had this other podcast. That's true. Phil and Jake in conversation. I was wondering, when are we going to do record the movie? Oh, yeah. We can do it. We can do it next week. Okay. So, everyone listening to this, you can always, if you want, listen to this. Finally, Jacob. Finally, you see the value of mentioning it. So, people can watch that or listen to that.

12:23Listen. Well, it might be on YouTube. So, it's true. It's a yearly special that I join these guys' podcast where we talk about all the movies that were released for the year previously and just go through the list and see what we watched and comment on them. It's fun. It's just fun. We already have two, I think, of the specials. Even more. I think it was three. No, no. We had more. Wow. We did 2014 movies. We did 2015 movies. What? 2016. Are you serious? No. Yeah. Really? No. Yes. 14, 15, 16, 17. Yeah. Now, it's going to be 17. This is the fourth. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. All right. Well, let's get into the Matrix. Guys, it's 117.

13:05Is it 117? It is absolutely 100% accurate. Can you believe it, though? Exciting times. Very exciting times. Do you believe it now? And let me tell you, Tim, this episode, we will go through the script because we haven't done that in many, many episodes. Oh. Someone dust off the tape. This is, I love that. That sound effect. Just next to you doing Neo. Yes, of course. In the PlayStation world. If anyone remembers that one. Yeah. That one was magical.

13:46But someone needs to dust off the tape of the jingle. Cool. Let's go. Let's get into it. Minute 117. This is what happens. Smith grabs Neo and punches him all the way into the ticket stall of the subway. He hears the train coming through the tunnel. Drags and then throws him onto the tracks. Neo is helpless. Smith locks him down. Hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability. It is the sound of your death. The lights of the L train are visible in the distance, coming straight towards them. Goodbye, Mr. Anderson. Neo seems to be completely unable to do anything, but he utters four words. My name is Neo.

14:29And that's our minute. Let's get into it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All right. So, Tim, you weren't here for our previous minute. Yes, this is sadly missed it. You sadly missed it. You missed the Doc Ock. Move. Yeah. It's still there, a little bit, in the beginning of this moment. Traces. Mm-hmm. Do you have anything to say about it? It is a return of Dr. Octopus, and I love it. It's funny. Yeah. Especially the sound. Cool. So, anyway, he... That would go well with a techno song. German-like... I can imagine he'd be great at drums. He would. Oh, yeah. That's probably a parody. He just played drums.

15:09My new arms. All right. So, he pulls him and then punches him really far into this ticket stall there. Look at that wonderful profile image of that wide shot where you can see the entire action going on. There's no camera movement. There's nothing. It's just... In that wide shot, the string gods. Yeah. Suck Neo. Yeah. It looks like a beat-em-up game. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like... A little... Pillar. Or, like, a comic strip, and he punches him from one comic strip to another. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool. He's like, go back to panel one. Go back to where you came from. All right. Little behind the scenes. That's why we need the visual website.

15:51Aid. Yeah. Okay. Now plays the single. A single. Damn it. The jingle that indicates you look at your phone and see the picture. Blum, blum, blum, blum, blum. That's true, actually. That'd be good. Blum, blum, blum, blum. Do you know what? Some podcasts actually do that in a way where they have, like, supplemental material, sort of like show notes enhanced. Mm-hmm. That'd be kind of cool. iTunes used to get on that. Why is podcasting still ancient ways? Yeah, by the way, speaking of which, thank you for reminding me. Yeah, still in the dark ages. iTunes used to do that. It was called... I forgot what it was called, but what they would do is that you would upload... That is true. ...in M4A file format. Yes. Which you could embed images at certain time codes in your podcast.

16:31Yes. And this has totally failed. This never... We tried doing it for our podcast, remember? We did. We couldn't get it working. The first four or three episodes in the Phil and Jake in Conversation podcast. I think they depreciated it at that point or something because I remember back in the day, remember iPods existed? Yeah, you would do... iPod classics. Yeah. And you could press the home button a couple times and it would show the album art. Yep. In a bigger screen. That's where the images would show up. Yeah. So you could... Some podcasts did it, actually. I know. Rucherti did it. Like, they had every link. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Like, they had... There was a link and it was the image. Or they talked about an image. You could just look at the image. What? Wait, you see what I mean? Like, what is this? Why are we back in the dark ages? Yeah, I don't know why we're back in... Like, this would be... And now it's phones?

17:11Like, are you kidding me? Phones can show everything. Video... Do you want to talk about dark ages? Everyone has internet. You can send them, you know, 4K videos in the podcast. The thing about that, man. Yeah, yeah, well... Like, if you had the podcast... What the... Let me tell you about dark ages. What? What? Home videos are disappointing me. What? Yeah, because they're going the way of the dinosaur. Yeah. Oh, like, no... Behind the... Extra feature stuff? Dude, it is so sad. Oh, behind the scenes, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, behind the scenes is sad. It's going away. Because people are, you know, not interested. I was going to say something a lot worse, but... The Star Wars one is pretty good, I think. Yeah, that's what I heard. That's a rare exception, but I'm sure if I watched it, I would be like,

17:52ah, that's like 50% of what I want. Lord of the Rings has spoiled us. I was... Lately, I've been watching Alien, the Alien Blu-ray set. The Alien Blu-ray set? The Alien Blu-ray set, because, you know, we got it. It's beautiful. They put everything in there. They put so much, I got confused. When Phil gets confused, that's a lot. I don't know which to watch first. What is this? No, it's true. They even put the LaserDisc features into the Blu-ray. It's brilliant. But you know, I have to say, sadly, that during the heyday of DVD was, I think, the golden age of making ofs.

18:35Yes, it was, because they wanted to push people to buy the movies, like on DVD. Yeah, that was a sale. You know, unfortunately, what happened was, I think, post the golden era, I think that people were buying DVDs. And do you know what my question is? And no one has been able to answer this, or maybe they can't answer this. How in the world do they know what people watch and they don't watch? Where in the world can you get the records of statistics? I don't know. But I think it's simpler than you think. No, you just know what they buy. That's it. Do you remember in 2006? So I'm saying that how would they then know? Like, let's not put it in. Well, here's the thing. Remember in 2006 where I went to buy Batman Begins? I wanted to buy Batman Begins on DVD. And I said, I didn't want the single disc edition. I wanted the special edition, the two disc edition.

19:17Oh, Batman Begins. Yeah. Nolan. Yeah, Nolan. Batman Begins. Yeah. And our friend Luke, not that Luke, not the other Luke, our other friend Luke. We have too many Luke friends. He said, who wants to get the two disc edition? No one watches the bonus materials. Interesting. And I was like, oh, you're hot. You're hot. Yeah. And I had to look, search far and wide to find the two disc edition. So they probably at one point started separating bare bones with special edition ones. There are two discs. Yeah. And then they saw which one sold more. Oh my goodness. Which one sold more. And also I think people stopped buying DVDs altogether since streaming stuff got, you know, like Netflix and everything. Well, no, no, that's more recent though.

19:58Well, then Blu-ray comes in in 2006. Yeah. Blu-ray is like the last, like, last, um, limp. They started, yeah, they started putting in bonus materials again because that's what you want to get Blu-ray now because of, and then remember those like enhanced features where it's like the director talking in a video. Oh, like when it stops. Over the film. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like that. Um, alternative ending. Choose now your adventure. Yeah. They're trying to get people to buy these Blu-ray things. But then once streaming started, like you said, Tim. Well, here's the question I have. The sadness. Can you answer? What do you mean sadness? Streaming is awesome. The desert. Listen. Listen. There's a question for you guys. Yes. Why? Okay. Yeah. Why couldn't they put bonus features in streaming?

20:40I don't know why. They could. There's no demand. I think it was just like because people were buying it even without it. Like they didn't have to sell it. Like because they put a lot of stuff on the DVDs just to stop people from buying VHS. And wouldn't it be just a nice gesture like showing how quality a streaming service is that they dump even all the bonus features in DVDs. It's true. It's true. I'm waiting for that. I'm waiting for a site to show up and do that. Of course, the bulk of the audience, consumers wouldn't watch it. But let's say even for those 5% that do watch it, wouldn't that be nicer for the company to know like we have a great breadth of content? I think it's like it's not worth the investment, you know, of investing in all, creating all that other content just because, you know, like 5% are going to watch it, sadly, you know?

21:22True. But maybe not creating. Maybe just also just putting the old stuff up. Oh, the old stuff? Definitely. Yeah. Like if they have it, you know, just plop it in there. I mean, I love that stuff. I wonder, my biggest question as well is also like how did they finance making ofs if technically they weren't really earning any money out of it? Well, they are like for the sales, you know, from the. It's like the best thing. The video disc. I know what I'm saying. Either way, shooting or not shooting, you're getting the same amount of money back. Shooting or not shooting. You mean shooting behind the scenes? Yes. Shooting your posterity. Yeah. Like they always have someone shooting something. Well, they don't have to release that all the time. They're always waiting for some kind of disaster. Then they can make a documentary that's like Sundance. Exactly. Exactly.

22:03Really? Well, look. I don't know. Just like this would be a documentary of the crew making these documentary crews waiting for it to be a disaster to make a movie. Well, I mean, look. Producer school in Hollywood. First day. Always shoot behind the scenes. It could always be Lost in Delamanca. Delamanca. Oh, yes. Always. Yes. You know, maybe they could be. Just look at like Lord of the Rings. When the Blu-rays came out, I didn't buy them because the extended edition Blu-rays, first of all, they were separated because before DVD was out, there was. It wasn't in the Matrix Minute, by the way. Yep. Sorry. Well, we're talking about Matrix, I think, for about 2% now. I've become the very thing I hated.

22:43Yes. Me and Tim go on amazing tangents and Phil cuts us off. I'm sorry. Do you want me to stop? I'll stop with the DVDs. No. Philip, I love tangents. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Wait. Don't count on us bringing you back. Guys. You've come to the dark side. Guys. Guys. If it comes up to me, this podcast would not have anything Matrix except for like two minutes. Okay. Okay. Well. By the way, listener, don't think that I'm saying I don't like talking about the Matrix. I like talking about the Matrix. I love it. That's why I made the Matrix Minute. Yeah. But 170 episodes. Minute 1, 4, 2, 1, 17. Can't help it. 21 episodes left. Yeah. Really? I thought it was like 7. 11 episodes left. No. No.

23:23Phil, we trust in you. 11 episodes to go. What? That's insane. Quickly. Last thoughts on the Matrix. It's good. It's good. It's like we have three weeks left, don't we? Like that's it. Last thoughts. It's funny. I don't have any thoughts on the Matrix anymore. Yeah. But that's why we're going into tangents. We're allowed to do that. Your Blu-ray story or whatever. I want the world to know. You should write a book about Blu-ray and DVD. I want the world to know my experience in the home video world. Or what I want to see. That's your last chapter. No, no, no. This should be home video. According to Phil Dragish. Destroyed my life. And brackets. Find out why.

24:03Streaming destroyed my life. How does streaming? Why streaming destroyed my life? Streaming killed me. How about this? Streaming killed the video star. Yes. Something like that. That's the book. The DVD star. There we go. Ah, yes. And then sing on it. Well, physical media. I love Blu-rays. I would love to get more. I would love to get the UHD. That's how the blurb starts. Physical media, exclamation point. I love Blu-rays. I love DVDs. We had this conversation before, but I love how records, you know, LPs, like vinyl records, have become, you know, the standard thing because you can't go any more higher quality than, you know, CDs or whatever digital. That's like, you know, uncompressed.

24:44There's nothing better than that. And then, like, physical media as far as digital has completely gone, poof, gone, destroyed. But there's this lovely physical media of vinyls that is the same quality and you can buy it. It's like, you can have something to collect. It's nice and it's a physical thing. Exactly. But it's not lost. Like, a vinyl will never get better quality. So, you can always get it and have it for life. We just need something like this for video so bad. I don't think that'll... As long as there's all the bonus materials in there. I just don't want to collect. They're so ugly. And I wish, like, remember, like, I love my Matrix, you know, box set. And I love my Lord of the Rings box set.

25:25Honestly, I just don't understand. Like, in my opinion, I don't know. Like, I don't really care. Like, I would love it all to be streamed. I would love to have internet that's like 10 million gigabit internet. Everything is streamed. Everything is online. The problem is... Yeah, yeah. But I still want... I still want some of my favorite movies to be on a little box. But the problem is, you know, by the time... Okay, so 4K, UHD, that's like, ah, this is going to be the best. This is probably going to be a standard for a couple of years. By the time these boxes look actually normal and they're not like stickers... UHD! 4K! 3D! Look at this! This is shiny! Another sticker. I have a huge... I have a big story about that. It takes forever for these damn things to lose these stickers and the stupid promotional art. And then they release, like, special edition, minimal art, you know, like all, like, part

26:08of the series. And those you can buy because they look nice on your shelf. It's not like a sticker heaven. By the time that comes out, then there's 8K Blu-ray extravaganza. And then you're like, well, I don't want to buy this now. This is 12K now. Well, you know what the controversy is now? Like, all the 4K... Many of the 4K movies that are being re-released, they're just the 2K masters from, like, back in the Blu-ray days. I think the whole business... Master, master. The whole video... The home video business is like, what is that? It doesn't make sense to me in any of it. Well, here's what I think. Why don't you write your book? I can't buy a 35mm print. Why the hell am I going to play that? That's going to cost, like, millions. I seriously think you should start writing this book.

26:49Because, like... Because I just want my... You clearly have a lot to say. And you need to write, like, at least write a chapter. I just want my movies to be archival quality. I know. That's the final chapter. You say, what I want. Yeah. And then I just want all the bonus materials from the beginning of time. And if it were up to me, my personal one, it would be all the raw footage of the... Of the... Of the... That's the final sentence. Period. Close the book. Okay. Do you want me to stop? No, no, no. No. This is funny. Before we end this. But... You see what I mean? It's an endless cycle. And then there's these CDs. There's these freaking CDs.

27:29Why are we watching movies on CDs? Why CDs? Listen. Listen. This is a great tangent. A magnet walks by your house. It's gone. I know. I know. Listen. I read... Okay. Listen. What in this Tim's world of sentient magnets? No, no. Listen. I'm just people walking with magnets in their pockets. The radiator from Thor walks by. It's gone. There was a website called Ars Technica. Have you ever heard of it? I know all of Ars Technica. They're a website. Like a technology website. And there was a guy on the website called John Syracuse who did these quote unquote famous Mac OS reviews. Every time Mac OS came out with a new release. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He would do like an in-depth review.

28:09It was super long. It was interesting. And he mentioned in one of the reviews when Mac OS Leopard came out or something. He said Leopard or whatever the version was is finally you cannot purchase the CD installation disc. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You remember when they came out the app store and they just download? And he made a great point. He said that how strange is it purchasing software on CDs when what they literally do is they make the software, put the bits onto CDs, put the CDs into crates, put the crates into trucks, drive the trucks into stores and spend gas and ruin the environment. And you go from your house to the store to pick up the bits on the CD.

28:56And then you install it and you put it on a shelf and never use it again. Never use it again. Just sits there. So that's what I always think of when you talk about CDs and stuff like that. It's like, it's kind of similar. You know what I mean? Like. I mean, like what? You could collect posters, but that doesn't feel as satisfying. Yeah. I mean, I think there's no solution yet for this movie thing you're talking about, like some archival film. Maybe like super. Like vinyl. Like 35 millimeter, but it's like digital. Like it's not like a film. It's like something else. Some kind of material. So it's not expensive and not like super fragile. Like you touch it and just explodes. I don't know. Okay. Well. I don't know either. Here's my standard. Like the optimum. Like if I want to own the Matrix.

29:36Right? Okay. You want to be the king of the Matrix. Yes. It would have to be some sort of, look, they filmed this. They used a digital intermediate. What does that mean? They edited it digitally. So they had to scan all the footage and then print it back. And so they just scanned it in 2K. Yes. So here's the problem. What's the problem? You can use that 2K master, but that's already getting obsolete. You want to go beyond. So you're going beyond what theaters even saw. That's true. It's impossible. Yeah. To go beyond. It's incredibly improbable.

30:17But then new movies, you know, they're different. Because what you can do is you can meticulously hunt down all the raw footage. It's not impossible. All the original negatives. What about the renders? The CGI renders. Phil, this is. And then you have to, yeah, the CG renders. That would be such a Frankenstein. It's like find an old Windows 98 computer that can run those old files. No, can you imagine? You know, it would be like, it would be GoFundMe, first of all. Or whatever it's called, the Kickstarter. And it'd be like, you know, we're doing this project, right? Like you said, like to get the whole, let's say, load the rings. That's what I was thinking of load the rings. Like if they were going to do an IMEX re-release, you can make it in 3D. 2D to 3D is going very well. And I was just thinking, let's go and rescan all the footage because they scanned it in 2K.

30:59If I wanted to say the progress would be like the progress on Crazy Horse. Yes, it's true. That's the progress. It would be like, how much did we get done? We got 2% of the film? Yeah. It looks great. It looks amazing. Yeah. But we still haven't tracked that Windows 98 computer that they rendered. But like Lord of the Rings. The Tower of War thing. And here's another crazy thing. You know what I would have done if I was doing that Lord of the Rings restoration for IMAX? Because they filmed it in Super 35, which means they actually filmed it in 1331. And they cropped it. You have to explain. There's more things we haven't seen. No. Yes. They filmed it in 1331. So that means the full 35mm 6 perf. No, no. It's a 4 perf frame.

31:40No one knows what that means. The frame. The film frame. The 35mm film frame is full screen. Yes. Square. And they filmed it like that. And then they cropped it later. So you get some boom mics and kind of stuff like that. Yeah. You get to see the boom mics and stuff. But we'll digitally take those out and we'll have a wonderful full framed image. And you can do the entire film like this. Just like on your TV. Well, that's the difficult part. The CGI. What? And then having to grade it again. There's also a process. The thing is, I think it'd be so hard. The like, you know, it was such a low budget and such a like hectic movie. Yes, yes. I have a feeling that like towards the end of the release of Two Towers, they're like,

32:20oh, Peter's like, okay, render this monster like this. But Peter, we have no more space. Delete the old footage. It's already rendered. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's how I think it was. It's like, delete everything. Just let's just render this new one. It'll be fine. I believe it. I believe it. Like two minutes before Oscars. You're still rendering. 30 seconds. But the biggest question is, why weren't they smarter? Why didn't they scan back in the day in 4K or 8K? Because they couldn't. Too much. The machines didn't work. 2000, in like 2001, 2002. What was it? What was it? Windows Millennium. No one cared. New movies. Well, they're doing that now. They're scanning them at like 6K, 8K. Are they? Yes, they are. Good. From what I remember. But now it's digital, so it doesn't matter. Tim, you would know this better.

33:01The Revenant, the Forevenant. Yeah. That was digital, wasn't it? Yeah, that was the Alexa 65. Look at that. He knows. It's like 6K, right? You mean the Alexa 1965. It's basically equivalent over 65mm, like a 65mm. So I think that's even more, man. I think that's like a 12K camera. Hmm. Yeah. But I don't know what... But you know the output, like the finished film, is probably a 4K and that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely. I mean, but again... And all the effects shots would still be 2K. I don't know a lot of... Yeah, I guess. And that's why I think many of the special effects shots that you watch in the theater,

33:43you see they're a little blurrier. But still, why are they doing this? Because they can't render it any higher. Why don't they render it higher? Well, I have a plan about that. Oh, I do. Don't take so much time rendering these things. Did you see video game graphics? The graphics? They're pretty good. The eye manager plan is make everything sweeted. Yes, just sweet it all. Okay, what's your real plan? Sorry about the 65mm 6K. Sorry, I was just... Oh, okay. There you go. You're going to double there. What's your plan? No, my plan is like, I believe that visual effects artists and the art directors and the visual effects supervisors who are doing all the... Particularly in the compositing era, area, and the rendering, I think they... They... They... I think they go into rendering a little too deep.

34:26And it really doesn't matter. Because, like, you can go to a point where it's so intricate that no one's going to notice. Percebably. Yeah. So I think that you can pull back on how much you're taking time to render things. Even though... Oh, I see what you're saying. Even though, hey, you know they have this new thing called cloud rendering now. No. The whole world renders for you. Yes. You got people in India on their computers. Well, I mean, like, you know, there's render farms all around the world. And there's, like... I'm a proud owner of a render farm. And it's a subscription method where you just send them the files. You can do it as well. On the cloud, like Dropbox. And it will render it for you on some big server somewhere.

35:06Yeah. That makes so much sense. Yeah. It's perfect. So there's businesses who are rendering. And you can render stuff now as well. You know, you don't have to, like, buy a Zoolin computers. And heat up the entire neighborhood from your, you know, processes running. Just sitting there in your underwear sweating. Oh, where's this frame going to render? Yeah, but I think that they... I think that there's a point where people kind of... You know, people who love the bits and numbers. Bits and bytes. And the numbering and stuff like that. They go a little too far into rendering. And I think there's a way to seriously, like, roll back all that time. Well, you know, the funny thing is, like you mentioned, that's so true, I believe. Do higher resolution with less rendering. The goal is always to make sure that perceivably it works.

35:48That's all you care about in anything, really. If the perception is good, you're happy. Yeah. Okay. It doesn't matter if it's technically correct. Oh, yeah. So... Thank you for listening. And we'll catch you on... So Smith throws him, and then he goes like, oh, you're going to die. Inevitably. Yeah, yeah. So this stunt here was a big moment with the characters. What did Tim mumbling about? Didn't hear him. What? Nothing. And this was, I believe... Oh, trivia. This is good. Yeah, I believe this was Darko. And if it's not Darko, then it was Chaz Stahelski, future director of John Wick. If it wasn't Darko, it was Lido. It was... It was Donnie Darko. And this was a... You can watch the behind the scenes of this. This was a big moment because everybody was kind of afraid because this was a dangerous

36:30stunt. And the guy had to get flown up like this and then thrown back down into this stand, which was, of course, made by very light material, but it still was... I was going to say, made by Bill Folk. It's still being flung directly into an object that's going to break. Yeah, and thrown into the floor. And, yeah, you can watch them very almost tense. That was, like, probably the biggest thing. And I think that, didn't he... He did sustain some. Yeah, Chad... Juries. Chad did, like, break his leg. What? Oh, no. Not from that, but from something else. No, he broke his back from the stunt that we're going to see in the next... Oh, my goodness. Oh, boy.

37:10So then Agent... Before we get there, before we get to that, after he throws Neo, we have this crazy horror type zoom on Agent Smith. With some smoke in the background. With some smoke and wind. Oh, sport here. And then he grabs his leg and he's like... Yep. I'll teach you a lesson. Like a caveman. Yep. Yeah, that was pretty... The caveman drag. Pretty weird move. Yep. And smacks him up on the wall. Yeah, and he just throws him into the wall where the train tracks are. Thor. That's another one of those stunts that hurt, but... And the zoom is... And the stuntman broke his heart.

37:52And then we got a little Dutch angle. Speaking of Dutch angles, how did you survive Thor 1 with all the Dutch angles? You know, it was interesting because Kenneth Branagh, the director of Thor, he just used the Dutch angles for the Asgard stuff. I don't think... Really? I don't remember him using it on the Earth. Regular Earth. Oh, it's used. It's used there as well. It's just like, it's very Dutch-y. Okay. I mean, it has to. Also, his eyebrows are so hilarious in that movie. Actually, I have to defend those. I like those eyebrows better than yours. They look so unnatural. They do, but... He looks like a prima donna. Especially when you compare it to later on when he has longer hair and it's not so blonde

38:36and natural. Yeah. And then in the third one, it's just, who cares? No more blonde hair. Cut it off. But, you know, that's... His hair is blonde from the sun. Yeah. Anyway, Keanu, he falls... I mean, Neo. Neo falls down into train tracks. He's like all busted up and all the rocks are bouncing because they're fake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to ask about that. Yeah. The fake... Oh, let me see the fake rocks. That's one of my biggest pet peeves. When I see movies and, you know, rocks that are supposed to be really heavy, they bounce. Oh, yeah. They're like styrofoam rocks. They're just like... Yeah. And Smith is standing above, you know, and he hears the train. He turns around to see the train and he jumps down and he grabs him by the neck.

39:18I mean, he kind of gives... What is that? Like a lockdown? Like a lockdown? Like a wrestling move. He's a wrestler. Yeah. Yeah. What is the term? I think it's like... Pop, lock, and scop. The pop, lock, and scop. The old pop, lock, and scop. And his line is like, do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? Do you smell that, Mr. Anderson? Do you smell my stinky socks? Oh, yeah. We, we, we, we... Sorry. We, we, we, we... What are you, French? I got stuck there in my Frenchness. Um, uh, um, we haven't talked about... No, not yet. Not yet. We haven't talked about, uh, Smith's catchphrase, which is funny because I totally forgot about

40:02that. The word he likes to use, inevitable. I couldn't even pronounce that when I was a kid. I was totally... Inemone. Inemone. I was, you know, confused when I was a kid. Inemone. Inemone. Just for definitional purposes means... Wow, it's actually hard to define. It means something that will happen. Mm-hmm. It's bound, something that's bound to happen and you can't, you can't do anything to stop it from happening. Yeah, it's inevitable. It's inevitable. Exactly. Um... You can also go back to fate again. Do you believe in fate, Neo? Do you believe in... Yeah, inevitability. But, uh, it's funny. It's something that's very, like, character defining or whatever. It's like his catchphrase that I completely forgot about and just got reminded now that

40:43it was a big thing. He loves it, doesn't he? When does he say it? We should do a tally. Well, I think in the second and third ones he says it more. Oh, he's more into it. Oh, he's like more like, I am the inevitable. Because I think maybe because I was a kid and I didn't know that word before, maybe that had more impact on me. That was like, oh, look at this. What is this? I mean, I don't even know what his spiel is with using that word. What is he trying to say? He's trying to say that, like, it's inevitable that they will be stopped. Yeah, that they will be taken down. They will be educated because they don't belong. Or maybe it's like the prophecy stuff. Like, you know, it's this role and it's like, ah, we stopped you. We stopped. We stopped you. Or it's his crazy, you know, overhaul of the education system, changing evolution to

41:28mean survival of the fittest. Yeah, yeah. Just wrong information. It's inevitable in my new machine evolution world. I use these terms. I am bad. We are going to be more advanced, Neo. Yeah. Because evolution means better, more advanced. Right, Tim? Exactly. It just means, it means you're basically better than anyone else. Which is why I could go on a rant about Pokemon and evolution in Pokemon. Please don't. Please, Doris. Please. Yeah. How can a fish become a sea monster? No, no, no. I love that. This is what I'm talking about. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? No, no. For me, evolution of Pokemon. Fucking Medicarb. Oh, we're talking about that.

42:09No, no. I'm just going to mention one thing. And that is that. And that is that. Tell us, Phil. You should write a book about this, too. This is your second book. The common thing about Pokemon and evolution. Why I hate the new generation Pokemon. Okay, but the common thing about Pokemon is that people assume that when they evolve, they turn into bigger and stronger versions. This is chapter three, right? Yeah. And basically better. And yeah, basically better. But in my opinion, it would have been much more fun if they changed fairly drastically. And it doesn't mean that they're going to be better and stronger. Just different? Just adapting to a different strategy. Interesting. Like they change. But they never do that. In fact, they just look the same.

42:49Instead of being, you shouldn't call it evolution. You just say, they got older. Yeah, they grew. Yeah, that is true. They go through their metamorphosis or whatever it's called. Yeah. Yeah. Metamorphosis. Metamorphosis. Like the dinosaur. Turn into a T-Rex. What do we know about that? Maybe they did metamorphosis. Maybe they did. You get born as a velociraptor and you grow up to be a T-Rex. We don't know about that. Or their balls got scorched by their son. Tim, I'm sure you saw that video. Jack Horner talking about how they, you know, Jack Horner. Yeah. The paleontologist. Oh, okay. Never mind. What? Never mind. Never mind. Continue. Okay.

43:30Jack Horner, the paleontologist, had a nice little video. I think it was for Ted, but I don't think so. And he was just setting an example, a very loose sort of suggestion that maybe what we know about dinosaurs doesn't necessarily mean that there were so many species and there were some that were actually the same kind, but just at different times of their lives. Times of their lives. So you're saying like, for instance, like we could say, like, not this was a dinosaur, was a T-Rex when he was a baby. He was suggesting this by actually taking some of the dinosaur bones that he had in his collection and cutting them in half and then scanning them. Putting them together. Taking one and then seeing how many different...

44:11More by one species and half of the other species. Putting them together. Look. No, no, no. One dinosaur. And then... I've done it. And then scanning them. Johnny. To just see in a microscopic level the amount of like enzyme cells and breakages. Medichlorians. Between the, you know, how the skull is formed, which... I'm lost. Which tells you their age, basically. I'm so lost. Which kind of tells you their age. Because like an older animal would have certain elements that are separated. Can you sum it up in two sentences? And younger ones would have smaller elements that are more crunched together. Sum it up in two sentences. So he was saying that maybe what we think of as the Taurosaurus or the Stegosaurus...

44:55No. It's actually the Taurostegosaurus. The Taurosaurus or the Triceratops or the Protoceratops. They might actually just be one animal in different stages of its life. So the Taurosaurus, because it's bigger... That makes a lot of sense. Might be, you know, the Taurosaurus that's bigger and has a bigger plate. Well, that makes sense because we don't know. And also, you know... But he's talking about that if you cut the bones... And glue them together. Also, you know, we get from, you know, all sorts of periods. And we could be lucky that we get a sort of like... In between species that wasn't so profound and wasn't successful. We just get like a, you know, a special, you know, cousin that didn't, you know, move on to be... So it's hard to sort of define species.

45:37Would you guys want dinosaurs to, you know, to come back? Yeah. Absolutely. Who, me? I would. No, because I'll tell you why. Because we're going to only get the monsters from Jurassic Park with the... Breed with like... Oh, you get like... They're not going to be pure? Yeah, I want pure. I don't. I want the monsters from Jurassic Park. I don't want them. I don't care about science. I guess to get pure, it'll probably be just like... We have to do time travel. That's the only way how to get it, right? Yeah, that's the only way to get pure ones. I don't think it's impossible to sort of like figure out... Unless there's like another planet where it's just like basically the same thing. And it's just like... No. Yeah. Time travel. That's impossible. Not impossible. It's very improbable to another planet. I don't know. Maybe it is probable. Would you be excited of... As same if we discover another planet where like...

46:20Species have evolved and they're like totally freaky and new. And that would be exciting as like... As the dinosaurs. It's like... It's a new completely species that works differently than we know. Well, here's a question. Here's a question I have. That'd be great. I'd like that. Yeah. And my question is... Is evolution particular to planet Earth? Or is it possible that it's happening on other planets? I think that... I think that the theory goes that it's a universal thing because it's so connected to just how life functions. It might work very different if it's not carbon-based. You know? Depends. Maybe life is possible only to be carbon-based. Maybe it's possible to be out of different materials. Ah. Yeah. See, that's the thing.

47:00So, it could work out very differently. But I guess that's like... Evolution is like the main characteristic of life. You're just trying to somehow perpetuate yourself. So, there would be some kind of progress. I don't think we would find life on a different planet that just like started and then just like... For millions of years, just like... That's it. And it's like... It's like... Here is this planet. Don't go there. It's so boring. It's just... It's just like one cell organism that's just like... For millions of years, just full planet of it. Just like... Like this hive... It's so boring. And you're like... In the future, everyone's traveling to different planets.

47:40Just accelerate time. I don't know. No, it doesn't matter. On that planet, I never... I think it's the same thing. We need to... Billions and trillions is just... But Jacob, humanity must one day leave Earth and start populating a different planet. But apparently, what about the theory that the population is going to cap at 11 million or whatever? That is true. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the... No. Yeah, 11 million. 11 million. Billion. 11 million. Yeah, I think we're a bit past that. Yeah, a bit past that. I think that's London. Yeah, London, I think it's like around there. Yeah. Between 10 and 15, I think. So, is it... Have you guys read about that population theory? Yes, I have. And is it true? I think so, because once...

48:20I would like that. Because the ratio of people being born versus people dying will eventually equalize. Cool. It has to. You can look at the... And it speeds up as well also. You know, the sort of transition from going from a country that's very poor and you have to have a lot of kids to survive, switching to have a lot of money, have medication, and you only need like a kid or two. And no kids. Ha ha ha. Or no kids at all. You know, that's something that took a couple of hundred years before. And now some countries, they just transitioned within like 15, 20 years. Like one generation and you went from someone who has like... Because there was always that between one when there's a baby boom. When it's just like people are still used to having lots of kids, but they have medication.

49:04So all the kids survive. Do you want to guess the world population? Want to guess what it is? Right now? 7.4 billion. That's eight. Oh, wow. You're so close. Isn't it? I thought it was eight already. Nope. We're on 7.6 billion as of December 2017. Okay. Which is from our perspective... I mean, there's a baby boom somewhere. Somewhere in lower South America. It's weird because I remember when the earth was 6 million. What am I? I'm an idiot. 6 billion. Jake! Yeah, I remember that too. That was like school. And I was like, ooh, it was a lot. And now I look at and see 7.6. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So we'll probably live till... 11 billion. 11 billion. And then, you know, this theory is crap. And it's like, it's 27 billion.

49:46It's like the presidents are all meeting. There's 11 billion of them. They're not stopping. We're kind of the boring planet. I have a question for you guys. Just full of people. Since you guys are scientists and academics. Yes. Yes. Researchers. You've published a lot of papers. You've published all of our books. Do you want to talk about how waves work? You've published two books. Yes. About Pokemon and Blu-rays. Yes. Awesome. Go purchase Phil's book on Amazon.com. Unless he's so... Digital copy for free. You can't get... Yeah. Digital copy. The special code. Is there an audiobook too? Oh yeah. Of course there's an audiobook by Phil. Yeah. Audiobook. Yeah. ASMR Phil. It's kind of just... Chapter one. Shaft of Pokemon. Chapter one. Strong. Chapter one.

50:27The golden age. DVD was... Anyway... Phil's probably going to add sound effects as well. Okay. Ready? People talk about how the population growth is such a big problem and things like this. But then how do you explain to me when you drive around there's endless fields of no one living there? Fields. Endless fields. Endless fields. Can someone explain to me? Overpopulation is not a problem. Overpopulation is a problem on the specific... On a specific civilization level. Even as far as like... On a jobs level. Yeah. As far as, you know, overpopulation, you go to a city, you feel like, oh, this is crowded. I mean... Well, yeah. Of course that. I think if you divide it, I think everyone would get quite a chunk of that.

51:07I'm just saying that, like, why is it such a big problem if you could alleviate the problem by saying, like, let's just make the cities bigger, for instance. It's not a problem. Even, like, as far as, like, our farts, there's, like, the CO2 coming out of our asses. Yeah. It's not even... What about the cows? That's what I mean. Cows are a bigger problem because they're bigger. Cows are a problem, man. Yeah. No. Their farts are ruining the ozone layer. I mean, cows are nice, but the problem is, you know, the mass... That's true. It's true. What? Yeah, the cows are ruining it, and especially sheep. Like, there's a special taxation in New Zealand for all the sheep they have. You know, you have to pay a lot of tax because they fart too much, and they make ozone holes. You know, Tim, that I also heard research, and I believe this, is that basically the less red meat you eat, the better it is because you're not purchasing cows, which means cows

51:51fart less. Less cows. Because there's less cows. Yeah. There's less cows. That's interesting. It makes you think and makes you wonder, but I just love beef. I mean, like, honestly, I'm a meat eater as well. I mean, I eat... I would like to eat less. I like it, unfortunately. Yeah. And I'm sad for all those animals that get to die in horrible ways, but I am up for petri dish meat. Totally. You know, if they can figure out a machine that massages it and make it all nice and juicy. Well, you know, they already have artificial beef. Yeah, but it kind of sucks. No, no. There's new ones. There's new ones. No, they actually say it's pretty good. Like, it's actually really close. They need to massage it and stuff. Like, stretch it. So, it, like, pretends it's doing muscles.

52:31Correct. Correct. Because they mentioned it actually tastes really close to beef. The only problem was it was too lean. They said it was too lean. Put butter on it. And also, the one they made in the lab was so expensive. Yeah, butter, Tim. What are you talking about, Tim? Put butter on it. Cow product? Oh, that's true. But think of it. It's so gross. I know if someone's vegan listening to this, they're probably, like, you know, turning their eyes. But it's so gross. I was telling you, shut up. That's what I meant. What's, like, the most grossest, like, combination of, like, products? Because, like, it's, like, it's the milk. It's, like, the milk. Like, a food. It's a combination of milk. That's the product from its, you know, autism. Yeah, you're eating the product of the cow while you're eating the cow.

53:12And then you get, like, another animal and then you eat its, like, ovaries, the eggs. And then you combine that with, like, its meat and you put that all together. You know, guys, if you think about it. I think it's delicious. Look, I'm a hypocrite. I eat meat. I'm a meat eater. I'm a big meat eater. And I, unfortunately, I was never, I was a picky eater and I didn't eat that many vegetables as a kid. I'm better now. I'm better now. Oh, yeah. But if you think about it, they're actually, you know, the argument for not eating meat, there's some good arguments, you know, for it. And, unfortunately, but again, I'm going to say, like, unfortunately, I still eat meat. I haven't really considered it too much. But I think it's a good question to consider. And I think that it's a, I'm serious.

53:53I'm dead serious. There should be an alternative. That's not so evil and not bad for the environment. And it tastes the same. I can sear it. I'm just saying that this is a problem to think about. And I'm not saying there's a solution, so to speak, but it's good to think about that because, you know. While we're on the topic. Yeah, welcome to Matrix Minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But while we're on the topic, can I just say that we need to save the lobster? Lobster? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speak. Speak for the lobster. The third book, Save the Lobster by Phil Drager. Yeah, save the lobster. It's short. There's too many people eating lobster and lobster is, you know, the meat on the lobster is very little compared to the overall size of its body. Stop eating the goddamn lobster. What are the lobsters?

54:34I agree too with you guys. You know, there was a proposition, like a theoretical one being made that is if everybody stopped just hunting that lobster, just leaving it alone for a bit, for at least a decade, they will be able to repopulate. And in bigger numbers. And in greater numbers. And in the meantime, you can go eat these crayfish because they taste exactly the same and they live in fresh water. But no one's doing that because they're idiots. And the only reason I'm saying this is because I want lobster to eat. I agree. That's so evil at the end. Stop beating him so there's more for me. That's Phil's book. You see, he's very... No, there's another problem, which is fish and chips is made with a fish called, I believe,

55:14haddock. Yep. Could be wrong. Right, Tim? Yeah. I think, yeah, it's haddock. And that's the same thing. Haddock is in trouble. And basically, if you just switch to a different fish. Alaskan whitefish? But then again, when we went to England and we ate fish and chips, the haddock tasted like 10 times better. So, I don't know what to do. Well, there you go. Quandary. It's hard. It's hard. And to lose... I'm sorry again for the vegans and the vegetarians. We apologize for offending you and... No, but we're only speaking on our own opinions and our own half. Our bubble. For the record, I could eat vegetarian stuff all the time. Yeah. Because I like it. It's good. Or you, Tim. Oh, yeah, totally. It's fine. I mean, I could totally switch, honestly. And maybe I could go for something like meat once a week, like special occasions.

55:58You could do that. So, I'm not super evil. I mean... Maybe you should do that. Because... So, that rolls out cheese, right? Oh, I'm done with cheese. I'm not eating cheese anymore. Yeah, right. Pizza, dude. What about pizza? I mean, an occasional like a cheese on a burger. Again, product mixing with the meat. Or brinze and halushki. But no, honestly, I've stopped eating a lot of dairies. It's like, maybe I'll eat Greek yogurt. Oh, but that's different for you, though. In my flatulence, it's not. Yeah. It's different. Okay. Saving the ozone. Okay. So, all this could maybe be a simulation like the Matrix. Anyway, we're back in the Matrix now. Okay. Let's see. Wow. Very good. Very good segue, Philip. Yeah, thank you. And so, he's like, this is the sound of your death. Also, this is funny because we were like, oh, why do all these people point out if it's

56:41a bad segue and we just did it? Because we're hypocrites. I was thinking the same thing. Oh. We have 11 episodes left. Yeah. Can we not care anymore? Because... Do you know what we should do one time? There is no care anymore. There is only... We should like... Inevitability. It would be great if someone listened to episode two of the Matrix Minute and episode 120. Yeah. Just the difference. Remember that one time where we actually went into classic mode? Yes. And we did it perfectly? Yeah. Just to show them we can still do it. We just choose not to because we can draw our destiny. We choose not to. Yeah. Maybe we should do that one more time. One more time. I think he's wrong. I think Morpheus is wrong.

57:21We shouldn't do the podcast the right way. I don't get it. Anyway. I'm just picking me up. This is a big moment here. Neo goes, my name is Neo. Because... Makes no sense. Says goodbye, Mr. Anderson. He always keeps calling him Mr. Anderson. And he says his name is Neo. And he doesn't like this. And I was watching a video thesis, video essay, video review by this guy called Movie Bob. If you know who that is. Nope. Nope. And he was mentioning that this particular moment is something... The call to action. The call to action. Yeah. No, this particular moment is a statement maybe subliminally made by Lily and Lana by saying

58:09that the system can't call you who you are. And it's sort of like just telling them that the system doesn't define who you are. And so that has something to do with their personal lives as well. Could very well be. I think we had... Didn't we talk about this before? We did. We did. We came to a conclusion. With Courtney, yeah. We came to the conclusion. It's mainly to be like, yeah. That's not real stuff. That's what the system designed for you. And Neo chose his own name and chose his own destiny. And that's what he likes. So identify with him. That's it. It's quite cheesy. That's cool. Because... Why do you think it's cheesy? Because that's like, you know, that reminds me of a scene of an action movie when, I don't

58:52know, let's say this guy's name is John Matrix and the bad guy keeps calling him, you know, Puffy. Puffy, you stop shooting. And then he's holding him like, you're gonna die, Puffy. And he's like, my name is John Matrix. Like, you know, this is my real name. Like, you stop making bad nicknames for me. And it's kind of the opposite. It's like, you know, I'm Puffy. My name is Puffy. Puffy the Penguin. It's you, Puffy the Penguin. You call yourself John Matrix. Do you guys remember that penguin on the internet, the gif of the penguin slapping the other penguin? Yeah, I remember that. When he falls down, the CGI slap. Yeah.

59:32I remember when I saw that first. That was Puffy. That was Puffy. He got slapped by his arch nemesis. Tim, you probably would know this. What is Puff the Magic Dragon? Okay, wait. This poop. What is... Wait. No, it's not poop. It's not poop. It rings a bell. What is it? Yeah, what is that, Phil? It's supposed to be some kind of... Um... Um... What do you call it? Drug reference? Yeah, yeah. Wait, what show? No, it's just like a colloquial term. Oh. I mean, uh... From the 60s and 50s. There's the... It's like reefers, you know? It's a song. Peter, Paul, and Mary Puff the Magic Dragon.

1:00:15It's a song. Apparently. Okay. And, you know, I mean, there's this like sort of, uh... Like chasing the dragon. It's usually like for heroin. You keep chasing like, you know, that, uh... Like that sort of good feeling. So maybe that's tied with that. I have no idea. Let's see. Anyway, my name is Neo. And then... That's it. That's the minute. That's the minute. Anyway, guys, let me just tell you one more thing. This is a peck episode. Pecker episode. Basically, it's 8% matrix minute. But like I just wanted to say, do you want to go into the script? Yeah, let's do it. Let's just do it because... We need the script. This is all script revision and checking it out.

1:00:56Okay, well, now's the time for... You know what? Oh! Let me get the tape recorder. So dusty. Oof. Okay. You got it? Sweet. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to play it now. Ah! I like that. It sounds good on the tape recorder. So good. I like it. It's nice. Your tape recorder is still running well. Yeah. It's just the dust. It's too much. Yeah, the dust is... It's almost like the dust is coming over through the microphones.

1:01:38Yep. Can't see. I can't see anything here. Alright, guys. Well, um... I hope you're immune to dust. Nice. I'm good. Cool. Good. A little dust is coming to you, too. A little bit through my teleportation. Alright, well... Welcome to the script moments. Then this episode, if you've actually gotten through all the non-topic stuff, we have a prize. And the prize is a lot of the Matrix script from 1996. And we welcome you way back to the rooftop. Wait, what? Oh, oh. It's just like a package. Okay. Big package.

1:02:19Yeah. Let me just... Water. Dust. That's crazy. Alright. Trinity asks for a helicopter pilot program. You remember that? Remember those good old days? Yep. I remember like... And... Trinity's eyes flutter as information surges into her brain. All the essentials of flying a helicopter absorbed at light speed. She goes, let's go. Now, interior hall, Matrix, day. Marines, trying to communicate with the men on the roof, are beginning to panic when Agent Jones comes around the corner. And Sergeant goes, sir, sir, there was gunfire! We've lost communication with the roof! And then Agent Jones goes, remain at your posts.

1:02:59But sir, the fire! We should evacuate! Mm-hmm. You will do as you are ordered. Yes, sir. Agent Jones marches into the presidential suite. Remember, this is a hotel, not a government building. Ah, yes. That's right. James Bond. Presidential suite. Takes off his clothes and starts rubbing oil on him. I am ready, master! What do you want to do? So Agent Jones gets in, and then... And then the machine gun comes down. You know, the sprinklers are still going off, and the machine gun comes down with Neo in the helicopter. Yeah. Agent Smith goes, no. Machine gun comes down. Does the same thing.

1:03:40They all shoot each other. They're shooting and stuff like that. Neo says the same thing as he did. Get up, Morpheus, get up. And Marines burst into the room. Okay. So it's not just the agents. The Marines come in as well. They start rubbing oil on themselves. And they start taking off their clothes. One by one. And there's a little bit more of an action sequence, so it's more of Neo shooting the Marines. Shut up. I bet there is. A lot of action. Everything is fine. He destroyed them all. Everything is more than fine. Oh, God.

1:04:22This is the Matrix. There's a 117. Okay. So after they had a fun time. Firing wildly, Neo turns to see Morpheus rising, snapping the handcuffs. Snapping the handcuffs. Morpheus is into this. Snapping the handcuffs. Yeah. Starting for the window. Oh, there's handcuffs involved, too. Yeah. Just listen, please. Okay. I'm sorry. We're done. Agent Smith stops. Listen to this. Agent Smith stops, sees Morpheus run past the open bedroom door. And you brought us back there. It's a hotel, remember? Presidential suite. Clearly, it's a hotel. And this is what Agent Smith says. No! No! My oil.

1:05:02I'm so sorry. So as Morpheus... We were talking so much over this. Can you just like summarize what happened? Well, basically, in this whole sequence, when Neo is shooting at the people, at the Marines and the agents in the presidential suite with the window instead of an office. Yeah, so you're shooting... It's a bedroom. Presidential suite. Not bedroom. It's like the hotel room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there are Marines involved. And there's nothing worse. There's nothing worse. I'm not the one. I am... Marines involved. I'm imagining it all. It's just ridiculous. Let's just stop. Okay, so I got it so far. Neo comes down. Hotel shoots them. They're in the room.

1:05:42Yes, Marines are there instead of... Marines are there instead of the agents. No, plus agents. Agents plus Marines in the room. How many people do they need in that room? I just imagine like 40 room people in that room. Yes, I got them. In the presidential suite. Like sardines. Neo shoots them all. You okay, Roger? Yeah. Neo shoots them all. Morpheus, you know, goes... Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. And he starts running. And then Smith sees him running. Because, you know, Smith regenerates, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he sees him and he goes, No! I see, I see. So instead of shooting him through the wall, Yeah, he's going, No! No, that's stupid. Yeah. Why is he shouting no? Too many no's shouting. Oh, then. Firing and shouting.

1:06:23Yeah. No! That'd be so cheesy. No! They do everything they do in the movie. Fires up. They do everything, yeah. They do. They do it. And then? And then? They go to Subway. Eat. Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. And then Trinity is already pulling the copter up and away. As Agent Smith grabs the M16 from the nearest marine. Oh, interesting. This is while they're leaving. Yeah, yeah. So instead of him shooting... Neo got him like, Gotcha! Let's do a comparison. So instead of Agent Smith shooting him with his pistol, he's grabbing this rifle, which is kind of weird, but whatever. Yeah, the M16 from this... As he starts shooting the helicopter? Yeah. He'll bring them all down. Targeting the helicopter, he aims at something only he can see.

1:07:06The oil line. Ah, so it's the same. So it's like the agent seeing the oil line. And then, ponk, ponk, ponk! The rear hull is punched full of holes, and smoke and oil pours out like black blood. And Trinity goes, Shit, shit, no! Great combo. That's her new single. That's what it says. Shit, shit, no! Shit, shit, no! And then everything happens there. Trinity messes with food loops on the weekends. And then the helicopter is falling too fast, arcing over the roof, the setting sun. The coils of slack snap tot.

1:07:47What? Not a single. The coils of slack snap tot. That's the most confusing sentence I've ever heard. A fulcrum that levers him up close to the eyes. Go get the albums from him. It's the whole, you know, helicopter thing. Yeah, sequence. And here we go. Tank stares at the screen after the explosion, and he gets Trinity up. And he goes, He's the one. He's got to be. And then we go back to the rooftop. Neo pulls Trinity up from into his arms, both shaking. They hold each other again. And then Morpheus goes, I knew it. I goddamn knew it.

1:08:28Oh. Let me try it again. I knew it. No, how does Morpheus like that? He goes, I knew it. No, no. He goes, he goes, he goes, I. Wait, wait. He goes, I knew it. I goddamn knew it. And then Trinity goes, Morpheus. And then Trinity goes, Morpheus. And she runs at him, throwing her arms around him. Wow. This is like cheesy Hollywood. Yeah, yeah. And then Morpheus goes, do you believe me now? He's the one. Who else could have done this? That's so cheesy. And then Neo goes. Gandalf. And then Neo goes, Morpheus, I know you won't believe me, but the Oracle told me I'm not the one. And then Morpheus goes, it doesn't matter if I don't believe you. And his eyes light up.

1:09:08What matters is that you don't believe her. What? Is this a trick? Is this like a test? Yeah. Morpheus says, it doesn't matter if I don't believe you. What matters is that you don't believe her. So what matters is Neo didn't believe that he's the one. That's actually accurate. What Morpheus is saying. Because that's true. Neo believing he's not the one actually made him become the one. Yeah. If we're talking about like we mentioned. I love seeing Trinity coming, giving Morpheus a hug. And he's like, I knew it. Father. Daddy. You didn't let me down, old sport. My boy. Now, this is going to be interesting. This is going to be interesting. So interior main deck.

1:09:49The phone rings. Trinity goes, Tank, get us out of here through the phone. Yeah. And he goes, got one ready. Underground, no station, state in Malbo. And Trinity goes, see you soon. Line goes dead. Tank looks at the bodies and smiles. Tank says, see you soon. The bodies? Is he going to shoot himself? Dead bodies. It sounds like he's going to kill himself. I didn't think about that. I was actually thinking he was, he's like wounded. And he's like, see you soon. Yeah. But I don't think they were going to do that. Because I think they were going to have Tank be in the sequels anyway. Yeah. Line goes dead. Oh yeah, we did that. Okay. So exterior, rooftop, matrix, day. The rope is all that remains. Agent Smith can barely control his anger.

1:10:34You remember that, right? Agent Brown says, the trace was completed. And then Jones says, we have that position. And then Agent Brown says, the extermination unit is in the place. The extermination unit is in place. Sounds like they're going to exterminate the bugs. And Agent Jones goes, order the strike. Oh, okay. That's a classic. And then Agent Smith can't stand listening to them. He moves to the edge of the building, looking out at the surrounding city. They're not out yet. I'm so glad that we wrote this. I'm so glad. Yeah. Right? Now, this is where we're almost here at the end. And this is an interesting scene that's not in the movie. Oh, juicy. Juicy, crucy. I mean, it is in the movie, but it's not like this.

1:11:15Not like this. Interior L station. Dang. You know that. A metal gate is locked. The sign reading, station closed. Neil looks around. Takes out a gun and blows off the lock. In the moist underground distance, they hear the muted ring of a telephone. The phone is ringing inside a graffiti-covered booth. Across from it, sitting hunched against the red concrete wall, is an old man. He stares at the ringing phone, taking a final pull off his T-bird. And I tried Googling this. I have no idea. A T-bird is a car, but that's all I got. Oh. It's like a drink? Taking a final pull off his T-bird.

1:11:56I guess, yeah. I guess it's some kind of cocktail or something. Oh. No one is around. It continues to ring. Determined, he stands and walks to the booth. The old man. He's about to answer the phone. Hello. When Neo sees him. He's about to answer the phone when Neo sees him. Shoots him. The old man stops. Neo rushes at him, gliding smoothly over the turnstiles. You know, the things that when you get into the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The way. The turntables. Yeah. You know. The Trinity Racer beats. And then he slides over that whoosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the old man goes, I'm sorry, I didn't mean... And then the old man is shaking. Terrified, Neo looks at his gun. He glances over his shoulder.

1:12:37And then eases back the hammer. Get out of here, okay? Run. Go. Agents are coming. Yeah. The old man nods, turns, and hurries deeper into the urban cave, disappearing into the shadows as Trinity and Morpheus arrive. Trinity goes, what happened with that? And then Neo goes, it was nobody. Neo turns to the ringing booth. He goes, just my secret lover. He goes... I'm so sorry. He goes, he goes, let's go. You first Morpheus, when to get the oil? And then Morpheus gets in and answers the phone. Listen, Morpheus gets in and answers the phone. Lost in the shadow, the old man turns back and watches as Morpheus disappears. The phone dropping, dangling by its cord.

1:13:17His eyes grow wide, glowing in the dark. Glowing white in the dark. Ghosts. It's just a turn of phrase. Exterior rooftop Matrix day. Agent Smith stares, his face twisted with hate. He will never be free of the Matrix. He starts to turn from the edge of the building. He should have said the Matrix has you. He starts to turn from the edge of the building when he suddenly hears it. His head whipping back around, staring. It's like in the movie, pretty much. So this sequence isn't that much different except for the old guy. Old guy, isn't that weird? The old guy, yeah. Wait, there's some... I don't get the old guy, though. There's going to be some great dialogue here, okay? With the old guy? No, no, no.

1:13:58Why don't I get him? What did he do? He was going to get the phone? He was going to get the phone out. Yeah, he was going to cut him out. Yeah, that doesn't make sense. You know, it's like Nioh's goes, stop, stop, stop. Don't do that. He's like, okay, and he goes, just run away. Go away. Yeah, what a waste of time. Yeah. Yeah. Because the old man is going to be there and he's staring because he's going to get overtaken by Smith, remember? I think, you know, people would be watching the film wondering what happened to that guy. Who was the old man? No, they didn't because the guy turns into Smith. I know, but he's in the darkness. We can't see. Oh, I see. Maybe he just called Smith. Oh, there's... Well, look what it says. It says, as the old man stares. So they keep cutting back to him. Interesting. Now we're back at the L station, right? Trinity hangs up the phone. She turns to Nioh. Standing close enough... The loving stuff. Okay, this is good.

1:14:38I'm going to listen. To kiss him. Yeah, let's hear. Did you hear what I said? Take a listen? To... Shut up, Tim. Let me talk. Okay. Trinity hangs up the phone. She turns to Nioh, standing close enough to kiss him. Trinity says, Morpheus is right, you know. It doesn't matter what he believes or even what the Oracle believes. What matters is what you believe. And then Nioh goes, I believe. And he stares at the fullness of her lips. Ooh. Okay. I believe. I want to kiss you. No. Oh, no. She smiles. No. She smiles. Oh, no. And then Trinity says, I want to kiss you too.

1:15:18Oh, God. And then the phone begins to ring. Drr, drr. But I want it to be real. Oh, even more cheese. She pulls herself away and gets into the booth when something catches Nioh's eye. Oh, I get it now. And he looks to where the old man has been. She hears him scream and sees his Smith emerge as if formed by coy, congealing darkness. Feeling darkness, charging with a fistful of metal. Fistful of fingers. Yeah, a little, little ridge against the machine there. Fistful of steel. The gun fires. The bullet flying at her, bursting through the plastic window just as Trinity disappears. So, there you go. Dude, that was some, that was some cheese, man.

1:16:00That was some good cheese. That was not, that did not belong in the Matrix. I believe. I want to kiss you. So, and then, I want to kiss you in real. This is fake. Kiss him. This is bullshit. This is a fake shit world. Shit shit. No, no. This is fake shit world. No. And then he's like, Trinity. Anyway, there's a little fighting and here's the funny thing. Yeah. This is the difference between the movie and the script here. Agent Smith is like, you're empty. And then Neo pulls the trigger. He pulls the trigger. Neo pulls the trigger. Oh, okay. And he goes, so are you. And then Smith's smile fails. So, Neo pulls Agent Smith's trigger. Oh, wait. No, no. He picks the cover there.

1:16:41If you know what I mean. Look, you're empty. No, no. Stop. This is mine. No, no. Neo pulls the trigger. You press this. Here's the thing. Neo pulls the trigger. And then, and then he says, so are you. And then the smile fails. The smile falls. The smile falls. And Agent Smith yanks his trigger. Nothing. I see. I see. Here's the funny thing. They obviously changed that because when they got the actual guns. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They weren't thinking about that. Yeah. Yeah. All right, guys. Oh, no, no. One more. One more thing. You have to go. I didn't bring my charger and batteries on red. Red little icon.

1:17:21Let's pause. Pause. No, no, no. No, no. We finished. We finished. Okay. Okay. And then there's one more thing that happens. Like after they fight a little bit, Agent Smith's glasses fly off as he glares at Neo. Remember that? We can't lose the recording. When it notches. Remember that? Remember that? Yes, I do. And Agent Smith goes, you can't win. And Neo goes, I already have. Oh, there you go. Cool. That's more cheese. All right. So this episode was long enough. All right. So thanks for listening. Long and hard. Yep. Buy some oil. And see you tomorrow. Buy some oil. As we go off topic because, hey, after this is 10 more episodes. Yeah. And we'll get even more off it. Okay. Well, good night, Tim.

1:18:02Good night, everyone. Oh, good night. I'll see you later. Bye-bye. Next Matrix Minute. lo lo lo lo lo