Minute 94: “You’re going to kill him? Kill Morpheus?”

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0:00Welcome back to the Matrix Minute. I am Philip. Filippo. Hello, Filippo. This is Filippo. This is Jacobo. And this is Timolinko. No, Timolinko. I was going to say Timomo. And we welcome you once again on Wednesday, middle of the week, almost, give or take. In our case it is. And welcome to Minute 94. 94. 94, please, we're close to Minute 90. Sorry, excuse me. That's a crazy minute. Minute 90. It's the 90s, man. You know what I hate? Here's a pet peeve. Let's derail right straight off the bat.

0:40I'm so happy to hear this. I don't like when people generalize things into decades. It's so inaccurate. People go, that's so 90s. The 90s were so different in 1992 and 1998. Compared to 1998. 8 or 99. Night, fashion-wise, what was happening and everything. Just like the 80s, just like the 70s. And I understand that, you know, the way you go back. Like now you don't say, oh, remember the 1680s? Like that's too, like you don't remember the specifics of those years. You probably remember, oh, the 16th century, right? Unless you're like a historic. So the, you know, like back, the more back you go, the bigger the range of, yeah, generalization is.

1:23But come on, the 90s and the 80s and the 70s. The slower technology did develop. That is true as well. And we have like, we have like so much, whether it was television, there was magazines, there was everything like from 50s, 60s, 70s. We have so much information. Don't be generalizing. That's so 80s. Like what the hell is 80s? There's just so much. But I think that. I'm not doing that, Tim. That's okay. I'm not doing you. I'm saying to the world. I'm sending the signal to the world. You are safe, my friend. You are safe. I'm sending the signal to the world. I do that sometimes. But I think that it's okay because coming back to this idea that I think I know people mean when they say something like that. I just take it that people say, oh, it's a flavor.

2:03Like that's a 90s flavor. So you're not necessarily saying all of the 90s were like this, but you're saying that, oh yeah, this was something that happened in the 90s. The zeitgeist. Is that fair or no? Yeah, it's something. And it's also that it's very different that the culture and the maybe fashion or the music, even in just the general year, there were so many different aspects of it. I just think it's like, it's not that hard to kind of not research this, but to have this general. But let's say, I don't think there's anything wrong in saying, for instance, like me going, oh yeah, flip phones. That was very mid 2000s. That's true. You said mid 2000s. That's different. You didn't say 2000s. Oh, I see. You see what I mean? Like, let's say, oh, like listening to like, I don't know.

2:45So you're saying basically the claims shouldn't be so strong. 90s rock, you know, nirvana. I think there's a general notion or knowledge that like 90s were like, oh, that's such a 90s TV commercial. It's like, well, if you looked at 90s TV commercial in 992 and 9989, it would be so much different. Just like, so you're saying that you would rather have it be a little more specific, like saying early 90s or late 90s or mid 90s. You'd rather have a nice... I would just like, I don't know like how it happened that, I mean, maybe because people who are younger than us, they're like saying that to those years because there's such a big difference. I mean, I don't think I could point something to that much generalization, like a whole decade.

3:27Like think of, think of the post 2010s, like we don't even have, like I have an idea yet, like what was 2010s, you know what I mean? But we would like to keep that. 2000s, we could, we could somewhat generalize something. Yeah. But like, look, look at like 2002, everyone's wearing gray baggy clothes and everything's like super science, like teal and scientific. Look at 2009. It's like crazy. It's like the whole first hipsterdom. Everything's colorful and everything. That's what I mean. It's like, it's just because there's a number divide, like it goes from 89 to 90. That's another 10 numbers. Yeah. The world doesn't follow this trajectory.

4:08The world doesn't say everyone it's year 90. We have to change everything. This is going to be the nineties and this is going to, it's the world of fashion and trends or whatever is not tied to those. We are giving these arbitrary boundaries to these things. I know. I know. Well, I want to say that this all comes back to, in my opinion, how we use language to describe things because in my opinion, this would be the same category as let's say me not really liking when people use, use very strong words to describe things like that was the best movie ever. Okay. Like that phrase, for instance, is so overused that it's lost a lot of meaning.

4:49It's lost a lot of weight. Right? Yeah. So you can say that for anything. We know now that that doesn't, that doesn't mean what it means. Like when you say that's the best movie ever, you're basically saying that's a good movie. I liked it. But that's not really good. I think that's not a good way to approach it because then you really, you have to be careful with what you're saying. Basically. I mean, this is a frustration of mine that I had inside me for a long time. And as I let it out, it kind of is pointless because it doesn't solve anything. It doesn't make any difference. It's just how I felt. And I'm glad you guys listened to me because it doesn't really necessarily matter. It doesn't matter. Like who the hell cares? People can call it whatever they want. No, but it's a good point though. It's just like, to me, it's always like frustrating because they go, like that's 90s. And it's like, there's no the 90s.

5:32It's just what you made up. There's nothing like that. I know. There's no 80s. That's so 90s. The 90s, like the dinosaur. It's like, you know, it's like holidays. It's just consumerism. People like to label these things. Especially in America. That is true. You got to put a label on these things. And it's like, ah. Well, this is why, this is a good, this is a good indicator or a call to action. Thank you, Tim. To be less labelsome. You're right. And with that, we'll label this minute 94. Perfect. So 90s.

6:13No, no, no, no, no. So mid 90s. Fun fact, in 1994, there was the Japanese Winter Olympics. Well, not Japanese, but it's the Winter Olympics. And it was taking place in. The World Olympics. Yeah. Winter Olympics. There's Winter Olympics. All on Mount Fuji. And there's figure skating. Every two years. And there's figure skating. And they recorded it, I think, for the first time with high definition cameras. And you can actually watch the 1994 Olympics. Oh, I thought you were going to say that they did the, you know, 360 multiple cameras. No, no, no. John Gato invented it on Winter Olympics to shoot, like, hey, what is it called in English? In Slovakia, it's called krasa kortuljari.

6:54It's the skaters, but when they do, like, super. It's funny because it's krasa. Oh, figure. That's what I was saying. You know what would, oh, sorry. You know what would be the exact translation? No. Beautiful skaters. Oh, beautiful skaters. Krasa kortuljari. Okay, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice. That's nice. Well, they recorded it in high definition, and you can actually watch it on YouTube. And it's there, and you can see people wearing those, you know, 1994 sweaters. Love it, Phil. Thank you. Look, there's a nice little workaround there. I was going to say early 90s, but, you know, I mean, you can tell. They're just getting out of the 80s. There's still those perms, and you can see it all. It's so colorful as hell. And it's wonderful because it's in, yeah, it's in, I think, 1080p, high definition. You can see it.

7:34It's wonderful. It feels like they filmed it now, but how did they get all these people in the 90s? Clothes. They paid them money. There you go. Okay, can we go now? That's a cool fact. That's a cool fact. Yeah, let's get to 90. I don't know, can we? Let's do it. Tank responds to Neo's statement that there has to be something to do. His answer? They pull the plug on Morpheus. Meanwhile, the agents discuss what to do with the option of the survivors of Cypher's coup that they can sever Morpheus's connection. They decide to continue as planned and deploy the Sentinels. Tank says the last words to Morpheus and grabs the plug. You are more than a leader to us. You are a father.

8:15But just before he does, Neo tells him to stop and doesn't believe this is happening. Now, Tank, a man of my liking. When things go south, kill the Morpheus. That's what you do. Okay, well, I think the biggest topic here is that Tank's immediate reaction is, we pull the plug. Zionist. What do you expect of them? And Trinity's like, you're going to kill him. Kill Morpheus. And then Tank's like, so exciting. Exciting times. I've been waiting for this for a long time. It's a very exciting time. That's so scary. He's like a bad. What he actually says is there's no other choice.

8:56That's rational. I mean, it's not rational, but it's more normal than... He's never been to the Matrix. To him, I think it's a scary place. You know, he just gets like this information from people. He's like, he doesn't know what it is. You know? It's like an evil place where everyone's in shame. You think this is influencing his decisions? Maybe. I think so. He doesn't know what's possible. He's more ready to do it than... He doesn't see both sides. He just sees the real world and he knows that Morpheus is stuck and the only way we can get him out is maybe we just let him go. Maybe as an operator, he has like a protocol book and he's like, your captain is hooked to a machine. He can't unplug him. Kill him. Well, that's what I wanted to say is that Tank is very... I don't want to say he's by the book, but he's definitely...

9:36You know, he acts like a soldier in a way. Oh, yeah. This is very soldier-like. These are the rules, the chain of command. If something, like you said, if something like this happens, we do this. Why? Because Zion is the most important and we are just cogs in the machine. No. But not in a bad way. It's just like, that's how it works. I mean, that's what works in the military and things like this. It's true Zionists. What's he going to do? Yeah. And he's not seeking other alternatives because that's how it goes. And we can comment... Tim, I think you commented when we were watching the video about how nice the lighting looks like, especially on Trinity. Yeah, especially the Trinity one. There's like a nice... What kind of lighting is this? She's going to kill him. It's a little softy, softy. But no, I mean like, so you have... Let's...

10:17We haven't done this. Let's do this. Let's dissect the lighting. Which one? Talk about the setup here? Which setup for which character? So we're doing Trinity. I think all of them are kind of the same. So she's doing... She has two lights. She doesn't have... What is the one in the back called? Wait, wait. Let's go again. Rim light? No, no, no. The first light is... Or it is like a bigger rim light. The first is the key light. The key light, right? And that's on the key lime pie. Yeah. And that is on the left of her face, illuminating most of her face with a shadow still on the side. Yep. And it's like a really like neutral light. It's not warm, though. It's cold. It's very white. It's pretty cold. Yeah, that's true. It's pretty cold, though. It's... And I think this isn't light that's actually from the ship. This is, you know, lighting that's added to be dramatic and pretty.

10:59Yeah. So then the next light is... It would be, I guess... I guess you would call it a rim light or you would call it a back light. Because it's not... It's not like... Yeah. It does look like a rim light because usually you have like colorful... Colorful? Cauliflower. That's a hard word. I'd say. Colorful. Whatever. We're going with that one. Colorful? Colorful? Yeah. It's usually like a yellow or a blue or something like that. Just have a nice rim. But wait, we have to describe what this is doing. So I said that... A contour. Part of Trinity's face is in the shade. Yeah. And that could be... But there's an extra light pointed on the shade. Is that right? Yes. To create a little bit of a dynamic color. Yeah. To give a little bit of an edge. Yeah. It's like a... Phil, you probably know this, but it's like... There's a classic three light kind of...

11:40This is what every soap opera looks like. Where's the third light? There is no... You mean the fill light. There is no fill light per se. Because there's a flag that's kind of like above to block the influence of the softbox. I'm just seeing two lights. Yeah. Well, if there was a three light... There could be a flag that's kind of just blocking some of the key light. So it doesn't hit her all the way. So it doesn't look flat. So we get the nice deep shadow. Instead of a fill light. A fill light would be something just so her face isn't so... Dark. A film noir. So it's not like a contrasty kind of shadow. Yeah. So it would just bring a little bit of light to see everything clearly. And that's like a classic three-piece kind of lighting for close-ups of movies.

12:22Interesting. I love it. And I think... Sorry. I just wanted to say I think Bill Pope does the best key lighting with the softbox and the back light. He does the best. It looks so good. It's so weird because when you start dissecting the lighting... You can see it. You realize that these light sources are just divine beings floating around creating light. They're like the music. They're like the pacing sometimes. They're not diegetic. Is it diegetic? Or non-diegetic? What does that mean? What does that mean? Diegetic, right? That's the name. Diegetic. Well, what does that mean? Diabetic. Diabetic? Is that like a next level of diabetic? Here's diegetic. Diabetic. Diabetic is...

13:03You can't even digest sugar. You're just like die. I'm right, right? I'm reading the dictionary. Diegesis is a narrative or plot typically in a movie. Yes. You said die... They're non-diegetic. Diegetic would be nothing to do with the plot. That's what you mean to say. Or they are diegetic then. No, diegetic... Wake up your mind, boy. I always mess this part up. It's a narrative. Okay, so... It's hyper-realistic. Yes, it's not what the film characters see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the music, it's like sometimes the plot beats and sometimes things that are meant... It's magical. Yes. That's the magic of movies, man. But you know what's weird though? Look at Neo's shot.

13:44He only gets one light. I don't see a... Well, there's a little rim light. Look at that. Look at his... His ear. His ear. So there's some... He has a soft... There's some practical lights. Look at that fill on him. You see? You see his dark side? It is definitely a fill going on there. Just to brighten his little five o'clock there. Phil Osterhaus? His dark side is Agent Smith. The big white box. I'm the big white box. My biggest question is in lighting and I never got a straight answer here. Look, I'm not a cinematographer. I know, but you know more. Okay. How do you coordinate that you make sure the light isn't being illogical to the point where it tricks... It confuses the viewer. Like you don't want to confuse the viewer.

14:25You don't want the viewer to question the lighting and say, Oh, something looks wrong. So how do you make sure that everything is sort of correlating? Great cinematographers, man. Yeah. Well, look, if cinematographers... If the DP, in this case, we have... Do you think about light sources and where they're in placement in space? I mean, like what else is he going to do throughout the entire day? Yeah. I don't know. Drink coffee. You kind of have to like also keep track of how it was before as well, you know, because like you have like a line producer or something like that who's keeping track of the script is, you know, being all set and everything. But as far as lights, maybe you do take reference shots, you know, if the lighting is set up. So yeah, maybe it has some Polaroids or digital.

15:06Sorry, script supervisor. Like I'm saying... I just don't know how to compare. Sound dumb. What? Nothing. That's good. That's good. I usually mess these things up. If you come back to do a reshoot or something, not necessarily. This wouldn't really happen. But like if you could... Yeah. A reshoot, I guess. If you come back to do something again, you have to know. Well, look. Here's a... There's a wonderful article. I think I saved it myself. It's not necessarily The Matrix, but there's this magazine... You saved it from extinction. There's this magazine called American Cinematographer. And it's just for cinematographers. And sometimes they have wonderful interviews with different DOPs. And in this case, I was reading one with Andrew Lesney. The late Andrew Lesney, who did Lord of the Rings.

15:49And this was about Lord of the Rings. And he actually showed... He talked about the film stocks that they used. What they recorded it on and what they printed it on. Which give different color levels and... Can we link this? I would love to find it again. I need to find it again. And he also has his schematics. Where it shows you over the top... Like, over the top? Like, you know, 90 degree angle plans... Bird's Eyebeer. Yeah. Where his lights are. And what lights he used on a few scenes. Yeah. Think of like... Remember, Jake, when we were reading Mixerman? Remember there was the... Usually the assistant or whatever who was the runner. He was the job to write down every setting. In the book called The Adventures of Mixerman. Yeah.

16:29Yeah. They were recording in a studio of music. And the job of like the assistant guy was to run and always write on a paper draw every setting of like the amps or the microphones. Like everything. So just in case. Just like for movies, like you have continuity. Continuity. Continuity. There we go. That's the right way to say it. You know, like someone's blood cut. You know, so they would take pictures every time the makeup applies it. So I would assume they do something for the light as well. I agree. Just to not go freaky. Just a quick correction. Correcting myself. The book is called The Daily Adventures of Mixerman, which is a great book. I would recommend. Go buy it. Okay. Are they paying you for this?

17:10My plug. No, no. It was great. It was too bad because we could have used that money for some promos. But no one wants to sponsor. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just love the nervous voice on film. That's amazing. That was good. It was gold. Okay. Exciting times. Do you know this thing we could have done? Well, forget it. No. Forget it. You know those Amazon affiliate links? Yeah. Press them. Perfect. Audible. Audible would be great. I wish Audible came. Casper Mattresses. I'd sell those. They should give me one. Especially here. Me undies. This whole movie is about being in a dream world.

17:53We could write the perfect ad. We could write the perfect ad. And send it in a letter. Yeah. Yeah. Are you in real life or are you in a dream world? Can't tell because you're under Casper Mattress. Guys, your product is perfect for partnership for our podcast. We need to pull out your butt. Like Philip was saying, dream world, dream world. We need a 12-year-old Jake to write them a letter. Yeah. All caps. Okay. People don't know this, but 12-year-old Jake was a wonderful little businessman. Yes, he was. And he wrote a great message to Tim in 2005 when he finally got Gmail. And he was recommending Tim to get Gmail as well. Because it was back in the day when Gmail was invite only. Yeah. If you're that old.

18:34And your email address wasn't at gmail.com. It was at googlemail.com. That's not true. Oh, ho. What? Was it really? Before? Yeah, man. I had googlemail.com. Dude, but I thought that Gmail was the original. Oh, was it? As it got filled up and people kept having Gmail, they had to alter it at Google Mail. I must have had it wrong in my head. You might be right then. You might be right. I could be wrong, but I remember that I only saw them later popping up. But I could be wrong. Maybe you're right. I don't know. Who knows? No one knows. It was invite only, which I felt super special for getting it. Go on. And he wrote this great business letter. It's just so funny. Like you were promoting. You were like a drone for Google. I was subconsciously selling it.

19:1612 years old. Wow. I loved it because I was very specific too. I was like, Tim, have you tried Gmail? It's this new mail email from Google. And I said, you get 1,000 megabytes for free. Yeah. 1,000 megabytes. That was the big selling point. I saved it. I can post it. Remember, it was actually cool. That was a really good selling point because they would show you the counter. It kept going up. Yeah. The space, remember? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like one gigabyte, but then it was like, later you check next year, it's like two gigabytes. It was actually clever marketing. Yeah. Where were we? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that was my, what I used to do. How did we get here? Oh, yeah. So I should write to them, for the sponsors. Yeah, yeah. All caps. For the last two episodes we have.

19:57A lot of sponsors. Hey, will you sponsor us? Do you have Gmail? Yeah. Okay. Well, and I just wanted to mention one more thing about cinematography. Wait, really quick. Last point of that story is, Tim, didn't we find out that you actually had Gmail already before me? Yeah, yeah. That's the funniest part. But it's okay. It would be funny if you wrote the Gmail account. Anyway, just wanted to mention, because we were talking about assistants and we were talking about lighting setups and organizing things. There's a lot that needs to be done to keep everything flow, you know, like to keep a flow and keep a continuity for the films. And when I was younger, I thought, look at these guys, they need assistance and they need

20:39this. You know, why do cinematographers need assistance to write down stuff for them? And it's like, just like when I was angry when I was 13 or 14 and I was angry, like, you know, why do actors have to sign autographs? They think they're so cool signing autographs. And then I just want to say that they need to do this or else they will have a lot of work and pressure ahead of them and they can't think creatively, which is what the whole point of this thing is. They just need extra arms to help them. Well, I think also... And these people... So never mind. You guys finish, then I have story time. Okay. Well, I want to say... It's probably about me. Basically though, right? No, no, no. You were thinking very individualistic in the sense that you were just like perceiving

21:23those people doing those things without thinking of like the bigger picture, right? Which later you're like, of course, like it makes total sense. Of course you need someone. And it puts off the pressure for the director of photography to have to write this down himself. So like he has to stop and write everything down himself. But imagine how horrible that would be. Yeah. Then you have to start focusing on the technical aspect. And it's not serving the project. No. Yeah. Yeah. The project will suffer if that happens. So that's why you have assistants who have no other obligation, except they just have to write a few times and that's it. I'm going to get a coffee. See you later, buddy. Yeah. That's so true, man. I'm just... So there you go. So what's the story? Oh, yeah. So I guess it's released on Wednesday. Oh, yeah. It's my anniversary. It's 12 years.

22:04Really? Is it today? Wednesday? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, happy anniversary. Let's hope. Come on. Let's clap. Happy anniversary. Yeah. 12 years. That is a mighty number. Yeah. We're going to decide to kill Morpheus and we have an anniversary. Yeah. So no, story time. Can you roll a wedding? Saturday. Saturday. I went... A friend of mine from work, his dad won a competition to go on one of those like win money quiz TV show things. Mm-hmm. And he wanted to go, but none of his like family, they're like shy and stuff like that. No one wanted to go like to support. And he was like, hey, do you want to go just for fun? You know, like see how they record a TV show? I was like, yeah, why not? I'll go. I'll go. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I'll be part of the audience.

22:44And it was an interesting experience because what was... Remind me of what Phil was saying is that a lot of... I was like, I really didn't care about the show. I was really interested to see what's behind the scenes. You know, how things are recorded. What? Saturday. Yeah, this was Saturday. This is Saturday. Just now. Okay. Let's do it. Yesterday. Well, you know, if you want to find out the secrets. Hey, don't. Don't show how unequipped we are. Yeah, yeah. The secrets have been revealed. So yesterday. So I was just watching the... It was interesting to find out that how important... I mean, I've seen like indie sets and I've seen sometimes on the street, you know, people record it, but it never was a big part of a big production. But it was nice to see all those, like you were talking about, those assistant, managers,

23:28just people who do the non-creative side, like the managerial side of a set or a production, how important they are, you know. And people just like runners or... It was so cool to see, you know, just like them running everything and how... Yeah. Well, they're really the backbone of the whole thing. Without them, imagine how nothing would function. It truly is. And like anything you have a little bit more complicated than like, you know, like a point and shoot kind of like a music or something like that. It's really important. And it kind of shows, I would say, this is not a great example, but I think in a movie production, I think a lot of small things would, you know, kind of just... You forget about them if you're just, you know, you're the DP, you're the director, you're

24:10the producer, you're everything. You'll forget about a lot of small things that will kind of show in the like the professionalism of the final product. So it was nice to see all these people, you know, how they keep this running thing. Yeah. Also, man, these people producing this thing, they were so sad. Really? I've never seen a more sad, hating their life, mean production... You mean everyone or just the... Just the producers, I guess? Everyone. The assistant, the producer, the director, everyone was just like, I want to die. Like, was it supposed to be a positive... Yeah, you're talking about like, you know, there's the term that it's above the line and below the line and above the line are cast, director, writer, producer. I can't tell the, you know, the cast, well, I guess the... The main...

24:51What is that? Probably above the line, like producers. But this is a game show, right? Yeah, it's a game show. Like, you people come and play... Question though, was the game show... Was it supposed to be like happy, clappy and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we were, you know, we were told how to clap. We did a... It was funny because they were like... Were you in the audience? Yeah, yeah, I was in the audience. Did they shoot the audience? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The funny thing is... Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the beginning, they were like, let's practice clapping. But I could see the camera moving, so I know what they were doing. They were recording the claps and audience and everything in case when they're editing. So they need more like reactions of the audience. Right, right. It was hilarious. And everyone was just like, oh, let's have fun. They're like practicing us and everything. I'm just like looking at the camera and everything.

25:32I'm like, I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing. And also the director was... He was like the voice of God because he just has a microphone on the PA. So it's like... So I think we're like shooting for like, I don't know, like half an hour. Everything's fine. Nothing is messed up. And I think the contestant, someone says something wrong and he's like, oh, stop, everyone. Stop, stop, stop. Stop recording. We got to do this again. Was he like... Everyone stop now. Yeah, yeah. It was just like all of a sudden just the voice of God appeared. I love the bit when... So like there's like 24 contestants and one of them gets up there and like plays actually

26:13for the money. And so they're all there. And when they pick out the person, he's like, stop, stop, stop. Okay. And the makeup girl, the hair person comes in and they're like, you know, they put the microphone on that person who was like the one, you know, like to be the main contestant. They fix her hair. They put the makeup on. They're like, oh, who's your friend? Who's your family member? Okay. Put her up front row. Put makeup on her. And I think it was just wonderful. Just like this. That's so interesting. All of a sudden reality just breaking. But you think like when you watch the show, you're like, this is amazing. They do it once. And it was great. It was very interesting. I've never been to one of these things. So it was fun to watch. That sounds very interesting. I would have liked to. I just clapped. Does it mean we get to see you?

26:54I'll try to... I don't have TV, so I have no idea how to see this. So I'll talk to someone. I wonder maybe like, you know, I was going to say, they have here and... Other countries, I presume. Where you can watch. It was a public television or no? It's like the major... I think it will be probably... Because if it's a public channel, sometimes they have websites where they can go in archives. I don't think it's like the main public one. I think it's like an actual commercialized one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway. If you ever find out... If you ever find out... It's all laugh as one of his buddies still edit there. I would love to see, you know, you in the crowd there. Yeah. You should have done some different faces, you know, like... Dude, I was always following the camera and trying to do like a, you know, like...

27:36Looking at the camera. Pretending I'm normal. And then, you know, I look at the camera and I go like do a face or something like that. Imagine if you like that one guy... So hopefully one of those get in there. If you were that one guy who just always stayed at the camera, you know, looking at the camera. I would be afraid they would kick me out. Like that one guy... Yeah, yeah. Dude, the producer guy who was just... Was it free or did you get paid? Tell me about the producer guy. He was just like... I think he was the main producer because he was there for the five minutes first and he was doing the clapping stuff. And then like other people kicked in, like the assistants and everything just get there going. But he was just like, let's do clapping. Okay, you could do a little louder. Come on, guys. What are you, weak? It was just like so like not like just...

28:16Like the main... What do you call the guy who's like the main guy, the narrator and he like, you know... The host? The host, yeah, yeah, the host. He was like... Because, you know, he's like a bit of a celebrity. So, you know, all the old ladies were like, you know, whatever, this guy. And he was jokey with everyone and everything. But it was like... But when the producer came in, he has no showmanship. So that was the only guy who was like interacting with the audience. No, it was like half of them was like the family members and the people who came to like, you know, support. And half of it was like paid or maybe free, like who are fans of the show. I couldn't tell if they were... I think they were paid like internships, like students and everyone who just get paid for the weekend to sit there and clap.

28:58But the worst part is they didn't mix us in. So one part of the sitting was us and then the other one was the paid people. And they were much better at clapping. So it was very weird. I was like one is just like... Craziness. And we're just like, okay. You guys are just like watching the show. Yeah. So it's weird because I was thinking these shows, they do them, you know, regularly. I mean, these are regular... Yeah, yeah. Regularly broadcast shows. Usually weekly or something like that. Because it's like a normal thing every, I guess, week or something. Yeah, yeah. I think it's not like a daily show. I wanted to ask you just the final question is... Yeah. Final question would be, how long was the entire session that you had to be there? Five hours. Yeah. That's why I heard these things like are sometimes...

29:39You get there at nine. We got there at nine and it was like two hours of waiting. They're setting things up. And then they called you and I think it was like an hour and a half of shooting. I don't know what the final product would be. How long? I think like half an hour maybe to an hour. I don't know. Probably half an hour to an hour with commercial breaks. Probably an hour with commercial breaks. And then that was done. But it was when it was done, dude, it was like two minutes and we're out. It was like, get out. Because I think they were shooting another one. Do you know, I wish I would have seen QI, the show they do in England. Does it still exist? I guess. Yeah. I think like a lady is now the host. It's not Stephen Fry. It's Sandy. Sandy Tuxvig.

30:19Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, she was on the show before. You mean with the glasses and the dark hair? No, no, no, no, no. Sandy, the older lady. With the blonde hair? Yes. Oh, okay. She's the host now? With the dry humor. Yeah. Interesting. Huh. But anyway, QI, from what I read, is that they had, tapings were always free. You can go. So, yeah. A friend of mine, he usually every year he goes to like a different part of America for a visit and he was just showing me some pictures and videos and he suggested to me that, he gave me the website, if I go to America, that if we're in LA, that to any of those sitcoms, the tapings are free. Usually if it's a really popular show, it's kind of booked in advanced, but you can just go, any old sitcom you want to go see, you can just go there for free and you watch

31:00and you're part of the audience. Yeah. It'd be a fun experience, I think. Just to go and just be like, be there. Soap opera. Yeah. Anything really, like mainly it's sitcoms, you know, because of the live audience. So anything they're shooting now, whatever, like Big Bang Theory, you can go watch that. It doesn't matter. Fuller House. Fuller House. I don't know. Yeah. Probably. But you can go that for free. The funniest bit to me was that the main contestant who was, you know, playing for the money and then their family member was their sister. They couldn't get it that he kept saying, so what is your family watching right now? What are they thinking? And they're like, well, they don't know. And he's like, okay. And then he lets us fly and he's talking to his sister. So what would you say to, you know, to our kids right now?

31:44I don't know. And he's like, well, you know, as this is live, there are thousands of people watching right now because it's a taping and they just couldn't, they just couldn't get it. It was hilarious. They just, you could see the thing. They didn't get what he was trying to get them. Yeah. Yeah. It was like, you know, you're playing it as it's live now because it's a pre-taping. So, so, you know, you want, you want to talk to the audience and he was talking about their family watching right now, but they just like, couldn't get it. Oh, they didn't understand the content. And I'm just looking at the left where, you know, the, the, like sort of the video villages and the producers there and the assistant and the manager and everyone, and they were just like shaking their head just like, what?

32:27Because those people thought that they were just doing this in front of this audience. And I don't know, maybe they were just really nervous and just like, it didn't kick, you know, it just didn't kick in. Like, what the hell is he talking about? They must get a lot of that stuff, I bet. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if like, maybe if it's like a sucky show, they'll just won't air it. It's just like, this is boring. Maybe. Yeah. Because they recorded one right after, like right after we finished, there was another one gone. So who knows? Exactly. Who knows? But in this case, Neo probably knows what Tank is doing. Matrix Minute. Yeah. We're back. And he's, he's listening to Tank talk and Tank is actually saying that, you know, they have no other choice. So the, there's a nice little shot of Morpheus struggling in the Matrix.

33:11He's going, he was struggling a lot. What did you say he was doing? He's holding, he's trying to hold his bowels with all his might. But he can't. He can't. He's squeezing those. Remember in the previous minutes, Morpheus was still straight. He was still alert. He was still conscious. Now he's breaking apart. Yeah. Silver liquid making his brain into sine waves. Yeah. And then we have this shot of the three saints of the Matrix here. Look at them. There's, there's this nice little. Enter Mr. Hat. Mm-hmm. Or exit Mr. Hat. Sorry. Exit Mr. Hat. And, um, well, you can see both of the, like, then that's where Agent Smith says, never

33:54send a machine to do a human's job. Do you realize they all have the same part? Hair part. Did I say never send a machine to do a human's job? I meant the opposite. It's all on the same side. See? Never send a human to do a machine's job. And they have the same glasses, right? And the same suits. Yeah. They do. They all have the same things. It's not black. It's dark green. Um, in Matrix Reloaded, um, Smith gets a black one. So. Is it black? I thought it was always brown. Never mind. Or brown. I mean, considering their hairs are brown, so it doesn't really match. I would say it's green. That is true. No, I mean the sequels.

34:34Never mind. Yeah. Do you guys know if you cut between the three Smiths? Yes. The three agents. The three Smiths. And it cuts back to the guys in the Nebuchadnezzar. It's almost the same. It's almost the same. Yeah. Yeah. Almost the same placement with these guys. That is true. That is true. That is not lovely. And they're, oh yeah, but because they're looking at Morpheus from one side. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the three Smiths are looking at Morpheus on the other side. That's lovely. That's a very good observation. And they decide what to do. What to do. That's cool. That's cool. And, uh, let's just talk about what they were saying to each other. They're saying, um, well, Agent Jones, I think, says, if indeed the insiders fail, then they'll sever the connection as soon as possible. Unless, that's Agent Brown talking.

35:14And then Agent Jones goes, they're dead. And then Agent Smith says, we have no choice but to continue his plan. Deploy the sentinels. Immediately. The agents just want to send the sentinels to kill them. But, like he said, if the insiders failed. If the what? The insiders failed. I don't know what that means. They'll sever the connection as soon as possible. The insiders. Cipher. Cipher. The insiders. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So they didn't want to say his name. No. No. He's over. Reagan. So, he failed. Yes. And so they, so these guys will sever the connection as soon as possible. But then, uh, Agent Jones says, they're dead in either case.

35:54Because he's so confident about their sentinels. Yeah. And so, it just says, just goes, deploy the sentinels. In sentinels we trust. That line is actually, I didn't notice it for years. Yeah. Which one? The sentinels. Deploy the sentinels. Really? Yeah. Huh. Does that mean that Cipher did sort of let them know where the Nebuchadnezzar is in the real world? Oh, for sure. That's how they know. I think so. How they know. Because how we will pick out, I don't think he would drove in. Hey, guys. I'm here. Plug me in. Hey, fellas. Fellas. Hey, fellas. They're dead.

36:35They're dead. Can we do the, uh, pluggy plug? Yeah, yeah. Plug and play. Plug and play. It's like a pair play, but it's a plug and play. Plug and play. And then it's like, you know, so what's your final choice? Yeah, actor. Actor's gonna be. It's gonna be the one. Oscar. I want to win an Oscar. Oh. No tricks. I don't want to wake up. Porn actor. You know what I mean? I don't want any of that business. I've been thinking. I put a whole list of all the things I don't want to be, and you're gonna read it. Yeah. Just to make sure. Put that in your thing. Machine. And don't delete my goatee. I worked on that one. Can you imagine, like, all these demands? It takes so long to trim. And they're waiting for him to finish his demands, you know, sitting there.

37:17Okay, so let's go back here. There's dramatic music going on. Trinity's there. Neo's there. But the camera's pushing in on Neo, because Neo is not really paying attention. Even when Tank is going, you know, you were more than a leader to us, Morpheus. You were a father. And the music is swelling. But the camera's pulling into Neo, who's just... He's just thinking, like, what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's pumping out right now. I don't think he's that hyperventilating. Well, I'm emphasizing it for people to know where I am. Okay. He's just, like, psyching himself up. In a story. And then, you know, it's a dire situation.

37:58I mean, when you watch this for the first time, what did you think? Did you think? Did you think they're going to pull the plug for Morpheus? No, of course. I knew it was not going to happen. When you were a kid? I think even when I was a kid, I somehow knew already that this is too important a character to die. Maybe I didn't understand what they were talking about, so I can't tell. Maybe that too, for sure, for sure. But I did know that, and I always thought that when we see Tank about to pull the plug on Morpheus, that was actually pretty scary when you're watching it because he's so close to actually pulling the plug. You know, he has his hand on the mechanism. He's about to push the lever. It kind of lever. It's like a trigger.

38:38It's a bike. I always just thought... Yeah, yeah. I always just thought that Neo... Like, man, Neo, he's kind of taking too big of a risk to wait this long to say no. Like, imagine if he should... No, stop it! No! If he said... Put it back in! ...a second later... He's alive! He's alive! Can you imagine that? He's just jamming it up there. Just, like, plug it back in. Maybe it'll work. Maybe it'll work, guys. Restart! Restart him! I can hack it. I can hack it. I remember... Go to store! Go to store! Click it! No, in the next... Just imagine them debugging. Click store! No, no! You clicked it wrong!

39:18Click store! Then buy! The next sequence is them standing around Neo. We see the codes on his face. He's hacking and sweating. Oh, no! I'm so close, you know. You're not gonna make it. I can make it! I can make it! Yeah, that's where Neo comes in, is being a hacker. That would be the movie version. I wish it was, like, the real-life version. You know, like, when you're debugging, you're just clicking button. Click store. I don't want to click... What if it... Try... Just try clicking it. We'll see what happens. What if I restart him? You know? Just like the... Just all standing for the monitor. Debating. Debating. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, guys, you know how this works? No. I've always put... Neo, when you pressed store, did it always work?

39:59I never pressed store. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. Tank. Judy, I pressed store last week, and it worked. Just press it. I can't press it. You take the mouse. Man. That'd be funny. He almost... Unplugs Morpheus, and then Neo just goes, Stop! Really quietly. Stop! Stop! And then... What was that? What was that, Neo? Oh, no. Do you want the plug? Here, here. But I like that he says it so quietly, because it's a sequence where, you know, when serious things like this happen, things often get very quiet. And I think that, you know, sort of that phrase that you can hear pin drop, that's sort of the environment this is in.

40:41So, I think that makes a lot of sense. Music isn't helping. I think it'd be very weird if Neo went like, No! Morpheus! Morpheus! Why is he turning into Gandalf? I don't know. I don't know. Morpheus! There we go. Is that better? Perfect. Okay. But... We'll miss you always. This is a very important moment for Neo. Yeah, go ahead. I think he's... You have a speech about this? No, not much. I'm just saying he's finally showing some, you know, some initiative. Initiative, finally. Yeah, yeah. He's made up his own mind and he's like, I don't believe in this Gestapo. Fake stuff. That's right.

41:22Well, ever since, ever since, yeah, the Gestapo talk to Smith in the interrogation room, he's finally at it again. Yep. He's back to being... He's taking action. I mean, taking control. He's becoming his own character instead of a vessel of the audience. Absolutely. And that is... And that's it. He makes a choice. And that's how we end our minute. Neo made a choice. On one hand, you'll have Morpheus to try. Hey, here's a question. This is a good question. You'll have your own. How many choices do you think Neo made in total in this film? Okay, so... He made a choice to go to the party. Let's boil it down to major choices because obviously... He went to the party. He went to the party. He said,

42:02no, I'm not going to jump out of the... Roof. Roof? Then he made a choice... Out of the building. Yeah, out of the building. Then he made a choice to go see Morpheus. Mm-hmm. And then after that, there was nothing, really. He took the red pill. Yep, red pill. It is true. Took the red pill. And then after that... After that, he doesn't make a lot of choices. He's just doing... Nothing. He's just like... He's driving. Maybe he makes a choice. He drinks, you know, the juice that Cypher gives him. Sure. No, yeah. That's not a choice. That's a minor choice. That's a minor thing. Yeah, last choice was the red pill. So roughly around four or five choices at the beginning of the film. So this is his... Well, he took a cookie, but then again, that's not a choice, is it?

42:43Yeah, not really. It's just politics. It's just tricks, mind tricks, the Jedi mind tricks of an old Oracle. So roughly we can say that this is now Neo's sixth choice. Oh, wow. Look at that. Sixth one. Okay. That seems to be our minute. Hopefully you liked our sidetrack to talking about game shows. It was an interesting game show. Yeah, sorry about that. I'm just, yeah. No apologies! If you've been to a game show, let us know. We'd like to hear about your game show experiences. We'll talk to you on Friday, guys. Yeah, fish stick Friday. Thanks for later. Oh!