Minute 83: “You all look the same to me.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00Welcome to the Matrix Minute, where we talk about the Matrix, one minute at a time, oh yeah. Is it the new year already? Is it the new year? January 1st? Absolutely. Soon. Soon. Not yet? Not the new year's yet. No, not yet. Unless you're from the future. Hmm. We talked about that last time. Well, let's salute our future boy or woman again. Future boy or woman, tell us. Do the terrorist attack? Salute, we're saluting you.

0:40Do the whales go extinct? Hope you're going to have a great New Year's Eve. Here's a piece of trivia. The blue whale is the largest organism that ever lived. Bigger than all the dinosaurs. Bigger than the dinosaurs. It's in the history of biological life on this planet. That we know of. It has to be said. That we know of. The biggest faunal creature. What does that mean? Yeah, like there's some trees and bushes that like sprawl through entire kilometers. Like, um. Animal. Yeah, how do we just think that? Yeah. Fauna. Fauna and flora. Because when you go to fauna, some stuff gets real bit like, is this one organism? Is it not? It's just like a bit weird, you know? So, but as far as you know. So, you're saying like the sequoias or the redwoods, they're not one creature?

1:25They are, but like there's some bushes that just like sprawl and just like, I don't know. Yeah, but I think it's difficult to assess that because I think that plant life is very different from animal life. That's why they separated it, yeah. So, that's what you're saying. The word is what? Yes. Faunal. Never heard that word in my life. You never heard about fauna and flora? Yeah. Flora, yes, but not fauna. Yeah, fauna is everything else. Do you remember that game, Natural Faun Killers? No, sir. Yes. You mean the one where the. The bunnies hump. I'm in the mood for blood. Oh, that's where they got it from. Yeah. You mean that stupid deer that shoots people for Christmas? No, no, that's not the. That's a different game. This is you shoot deer and like bunnies that hump the entire time. I just had a demo this time ago. Yeah, yeah.

2:05That's a deer who shoots. Tim, you were a big demo man. You had all kinds of demos. Yeah. I'm a demo master. Couldn't afford games. So just demo discs. Do you know what's funny? I used to do, I didn't use to install demo games. I used to install demo software. How lame was I? Very lame. So we would get these CDs. Just like Aspire in 30 days or something? I have a great story. I have a great story too. I have a great story too. Really? Yeah. Go, go, go, go, go. So we used to get these demo CDs from a magazine. We used to purchase a PC magazine. What? Is it a PC magazine? What was it? What was the creation one? It was called Bug. Bug. Yes. Bug. Remember? I remember Bug. That was good. During that time we were living in Croatia. Yeah. We would get these magazines called Bug, which is like a local, I think it was Croatian,

2:49wasn't it? Yes, yes, yes. It was Croatian, yeah. And they would write about, you know, reviews of software and hardware. Software and hardware. Or some games, sort of game reviews in there too. But they would have the CD that you could get with it. Always. And then they'd turn with DVDs. Oh, wow. And on this CD or DVD, they would have a lot of... Applications for Windows. Even videos as well. Little applications that were either freeware or some demo software, pieces of software and things like that. They also had trailers as well, I think. No way. I didn't know that. That was like all a bunch of junk in there. Yeah. But it was like, you know, back in that time, it was actually really cool to get a CD like that. That was like really, really amazing because, you know, dial-up internet.

3:31I mean, the sources for finding this stuff would be really difficult. So this was like curated, ooh, a bunch of goodies in a CD you can sort of browse through. And I would literally go and like install most of the software that came in the CD just to see what it is and what it does. And so I was around nine or 10 at the time. And I foolishly installed this app. This little piece of software called like Freezeware or something or just like Freeze It or something. Okay. This was my story as well. They were polar bears on it or something. Yeah. Ice cubes and polar bears. And I thought that's cool. Yeah. And I thought it was amazing.

4:12I must be like, either maybe it's like a game or maybe it's like some cool little program and there's cool stuff for you. Yeah. So we install it. It's like, no problem. And there it is. It's working. Seems like it's on. Awesome. Business as usual. Great. And I didn't use the computer that much at that time. Phil did. Yeah. And he would do like Photoshop and stuff like that. Yeah. I was doing Photoshop stuff. I was editing something. And you were like. Pressing save as. Yep. And you were saving and you were, it's great. Control C. Time to go to bed. Turn off the computer. Wake up the next morning. Where are those Photoshop files? Where are they? Where is this? What you saved? It's like, it's like Groundhog Day. Yeah. They're now trying to.

4:52Just empty. I mean, just like everything like, like the day before. Yeah. Like it was prior to the point we installed. And we're like, what is this? Well, you, you, you, everybody knows what happened, but this happened for a few days. Oh, wow. Oh, you guys couldn't figure it out for a while? I was just frustrated. I was like, where are my files? Where are my files? Where are they? So obviously if you're listening, you probably guessed already that that piece of software was called freeze or whatever, because it would literally freeze your computer at that state. Yes. And it would be for like, this would be great for display or, uh, retailers or whatever to give you like a display copy.

5:32So you can just do a bunch of junk and it resets to the last state. Yeah. And you know, it's weird. Whenever I look back at the story, I still can't remember how we solved this pro problem because that piece of software required a password. Oh, really? To reset it back to unlock it. I don't know what happened, man, but somehow we magically figured it out. Yeah, we did. That sounds lovely. And it was all back to normal. But to this day, don't know what happened. I still remember that. It will never be unfrozen from my mind. Just the fear and trauma that it caused. Yeah. By our ineptitude. But that's the amazing thing. When you're a kid, you're so inept, like you don't even pay attention to what you're

6:13going to install. Yeah. You just like it because there's polar bears on it and you think it's going to enhance your computer. I mean, like as bad as it is from your side and your experience, it's great for mine because all these crazy things you guys did to your computers, my brother would see it and he would just tell me about it. And those are my cautionary tales. I remember it's still just today. So you got the trickle down. Okay. What was one of them? I think the one I remember every day, every time I shut down a computer, I just laughed to myself because... Oh, yes. Because it says... It used to be... I don't know if it's still there on Windows XP. It used to be Windows shutting off, saving something, saving... Personal settings. Personal settings. Saving. Do not shut off this thing.

6:54And I remember it was... I don't know if it was you, Jake, or Phil. My brother was... Me. ...shutting down his computer. It was you. One of us. And Phil, foolishly, was too impatient and you just pressed the power button to turn it off. Everything... Well, I remember what happened. I was very impatient and... But it was like 12 minutes already. It was like really long. It's still turning off. So it was you who did it. I think it was me. Okay. Go on. Yeah. And then yes. That's what happened. You turned it off and then next time my brother turned his computer on, everything, all the desktop shortcuts, all the settings, all the themes, everything was gone. So it was reset. He was honestly like our cousin is a very easygoing guy.

7:37He's very mellow. And I never saw him this frustrated and upset at us because he's the kind of guy who takes a long time and maybe even years to set up stuff to his liking. And like you said, shortcuts, icons, you know. Yeah. Everything like settings. Personal environment. Yeah. And it was all gone. And he was like, I remember the next day it was just like, the entire day it was just like, he was just doing everything and resetting it. And I felt guilty and yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. I'll try to remember some more stories. It's true. Now the moral of the story is that Windows XP users. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a time traveler from the past.

8:19Yes. Do not turn off your computer. If you're a time traveler who travels to the future. Yeah. And you've gotten into podcasts. And back home you still use XP. And your time machine works on Windows XP. Yeah. Don't shut down your computer while it says saving personal settings. Because then your personal settings might be the settings on your time machine which year you came from and you can't remember which you came from. You won't be able to go back. That would suck. Yeah. So don't do that. That would suck if you went back to like 1772. That's not your time. Yeah. Your time is 2003. Oh, you do that. Yeah. It's 2003. Sweet old 2003. Good old. Still waiting for that Return of the King to come out. Yeah. Yeah. Wondering what will happen. Will it win the Oscars? Should I read the books?

8:59Who knows? Who knows? Will it win all the Oscars? Or will Clean Sweep actually take it down? All right. Let's go back. Yeah. Welcome to Minute 83. Yep. 1983 is a great year. It's when Return of the Jedi came out. And people actually liked that initially more than they did Empire Strikes Back when that came out. Rotica? Yes. Rotija. Sorry. Why did I say Rotija? Because it's Return of the King. Whatever. Oh. I was. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Because when Empire Strikes Back came out. Was that inspired by Lord of the Rings? Return of the Jedi? No. It's a common phrase.

9:40Yeah. Because it started to be. It used to be Revenge of the Jedi. And then they changed it to Return of the Jedi. That is right. That would be lame if it was. Because it's. Yeah. Revenge of the Jedi. Revenge. It's lame. Revenge. It sounds like a B movie. The Empire Strikes Back. Then it's suddenly Revenge of the Jedi. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So welcome to Minute 83. This is what happens. What happens, Philip? They slide down the wet wall like crazy. Neo says that they can't leave Morpheus, but they have to. As they slide down, switch an Apoc, shoot up some SWAT teams, and the cops with laser pointers take out some smoke grenades. They all escape, except Cypher, who mysteriously was cut off from them.

10:21Smith and Morpheus introduce each other, and Smith headbutts Morpheus and then punches him against the wall. And we're back to a really seemingly long minute, because there's so much action. It's important stuff, my friend. This is some crazy cool stuff going on. Crazy cool. Just crazy cool. Where can we start with this crazy cool stuff? Well, let's start at the beginning. Good idea. Where Neo just goes, no, they start sliding down, and then there's a lot of, you know, excess... Debris. Debris that just keeps trickling down. Here's an interesting fact. Trickling down economics. Growing up in Europe, walls like these, these paper walls that you Americans build your places out of. You filthy American swine.

11:02I was, it wasn't something that I was not familiar with. Everything is usually brick or concrete or blocks, you know. Yes, yes, yes. The big bricks, the big fat ones. So, in my, in the defense of the American swine, the bricks that most Europeans use are, what do you call those? The ones that are baked. Cinder blocks? Yeah, they're just hollow. Yes. Rubbish. Absolutely rubbish at keeping, they're supposed to be hollow and have like, you know, air that, you know, is a good, like heater and make the whole house like heated, but they suck.

11:43They actually, they're terrible. No, they don't do that. And they don't absorb any sound. Because aren't there like, for instance, in our old house in the States, we had a couple of brick walls. Yeah. And those were solid bricks. For visual effect. I think they weren't really. No. Full decoration. They were, they were, they were solid. The bricks, right? Yeah. Yeah. When you tap them, it just went. Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't. Clung, clung, clung, clung. Clung, clung, clung, clung. Are these brick? These walls? Yeah. These are crap. They suck. I hate them because we can hear everybody. Okay, Tim, go on with your story. So, uh, seeing them sliding down and just like the wall crumb, cool, crumbling into thing.

12:23I always thought it was like really weird that it hurt them. But then I explained to my, oh, they're probably just doing the matrix stuff. You know, they're like destroying the wall with their feet because they're matrix people. I thought they were. That's still my theory. I thought they were just. It's just paper. It's just, it's an old, like, I don't know. It's old, man. It's old and gross. There's probably a lot of fungus in there. Okay, so. I'm pretty sure you could do it as well if you really tried. I could talk about something that I've always noticed. Maybe you noticed too. Okay. Dear listener. The wet wall. As Tim was saying, when they're sliding down, they're all breaking through this papery material. They are. On the sides of the walls. And they're simultaneously shattering these thin tiles. Yeah. Oh, yes, yes. In the bathroom.

13:05But there is one shot where you see Trinity. That's a different bathroom. Doesn't matter. It's a bathroom. I'm just saying, I just realized they couldn't have been doing this. You're right. Good point. That is a different bathroom. Yeah, that's like a little floor below. But there is one shot where we see Trinity sliding down. And for some reason, at the end of the sequence, she doesn't get to break those papery sides of the walls. She just goes. Oh, yeah. It slides down. Yeah, she didn't want to do that anymore. Tim, check it out. Yeah, yeah. See, I'm looking at it right now. Her feet's hurt. See, look. Oh, and also Neo, whoever, Apoc over there also goes. And the last part, they don't get to break the walls. Nope. The walls are unbreakable.

13:48Anyway, the cops are coming in. SWAT team. They're all meeting them in the basement. Let's just talk real quick about how nice that shot is because usually people don't pay that much attention to detail when they would film some footage where you can see the debris just dribbling down as they are going down. And you can see all this, you know, this dust. And the camera is kind of dolling in to that drop point. And I think that's a nice little detail. Don't we want to talk about Trinity's weird fall? We'll talk about that. I'm just going from the beginning. If you wonder, Jacob, you can see it. Tell me about Trinity's weird fall. See that? That's cool. Oh, I see. You mean the one that's panning in?

14:29Yes. Is that the word? Panning in? Well, dolling in because you can see it's actually moving. Panning is left and right. I don't know. Left and right. I'm just saying dolling because it's physically moving. Yeah, yeah. So post that shot and after everyone else slides down. Yes. Well, the first two guys that fall down are Apoc and... Yeah, and they start shooting. Yep, they're ready. For Neo's grand entrance. And with Apoc's non-Uzi. Yeah. We learned. Yeah. His scorpion. Trinity lands. And she, you can tell, she's on a cable. The actress, Carrie Ann Moss. If it is Carrie Ann Moss, I think it's... Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. You're right.

15:10Let me examine this. She has a very, very weird fall. We were perplexed by this every time we watched this film. I've never noticed in my entire life. It's like she does this little sort of bounce. No, this kind of, yeah, like a puppet. Mary Ann Moss. Yeah, the rope is like just stopping her from hitting like her ass on the floor. It's just so weird. They picked this shot. It's just so strange. Maybe they didn't, like the rest will even worse, you know? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Like the rest were just unacceptable. And this was like, whatever. You know, it's very smoky and maybe if they didn't have instant replay, you know, on film,

15:50like you thought, oh, I think we got it, you know, looking through the smoke and everything. Like it looked good. But then you see the footage, it's like, oh no. We messed up. It's very plausible. And most likely what happened. Yeah. But either way, it's a peculiar shot because it's weird. It's a weird one. I always wanted to draw attention to it. Now we can. And then there's a wide shot because these things go by so fast. You never really notice a lot of these shots. But there's this great wide shot where we have the swats starting to shoot at the dusty area. Can we mention something since we're here and we're going to be seeing guns a lot more in the next bunch of minutes?

16:32Like a rodent. So movie guns, they typically use blanks for the bullets. For the toilets. Which means that there is no actual, I don't know what the term is. Projectile. Projectile. Yeah, there's no bullet in it. It's essentially just the shell, which holds the projectile. Yes. And it just basically fires. And so... But the shell has just like a bent, bent inwards portion of the cylinder. Mm-hmm. Yep. Well, all I know is that when the explosion happens inside a gun... And there still might be some gunpowder in it. Right.

17:12I'm not saying it's like clean, but I'm saying that what happens is there's just hot air and possibly some debris and stuff. Yes. It flies up. But, you know, there is nothing shooting out of the gun. No. And then, of course, the shell, you know, releases itself from the... Pops out. Yeah. Like a normal gun. Or any other gun. Yeah. It comes out. And so that's what they usually use, to my knowledge, in films. Yes. Because you get the real... Light effect, yeah. ...gunshot. But, obviously, it's not going to do anything for actors. Kill your actors. But the question I wanted to ask you guys is that, aren't there also special blanks that they purchase for film shoots that have an increased likelihood that there's a muzzle flare?

17:55Yes. I'm sure they use different types of gunpowder. Gunpowder, yeah. So you have that cool looking. Because the muzzle flare is amazing. And I was fascinated with it as a kid growing up. And I loved the muzzle flare. And I always wondered, like, how do they do that? And do guns really have muzzle flares? And it's, like, so cool. Well, Jacob, you fired a gun. I did. No muzzle flares. I mean... What was it? Daylight? It was daylight. I mean, look, I don't know. Did you blink? I remember... Oh, yeah. I blinked a million times. How old were you, Jacob? Like 12. 12. He was firing a revolver. Revolver, yeah. Wasn't that like you're creaming your pants? Like, this was the most amazing thing you ever... Well... 12 years old, Jake, was a gunman. Yeah, I was a huge gunman. I was a boy.

18:35But when... So we went in Indiana. We went to visit a friend of ours who had a pistol or whatever. And I guess he was into... I don't know. Whatever. Shooting. The point was that... Yeah. And I was expecting when we got to his place. And so I think... Of course. Did you mention this was in the States? Yes. Obviously. Are you like a... Like a bretta or something, right? Yes. I was really like just... You know, when you're a kid, you have a preconceived notion before you even have a clue who you're visiting. You just... You're waiting for the black bretta to come into your hand. Pulls out this old-timey gun on you and you're like... It wasn't super old-timey. It was actually, you know, clean and new. But it was a revolver. You know, it was like a silver revolver. Yeah.

19:15That's not cool. That was not cool. Magnum. You're not into cowboys and Indians. It was a longer barrel. It wasn't like the short barrel. Like the little hooker gun? No, no. It was a long barrel one. But it was just, you know, it's not the same. I wanted that whole, you know, recoil effect where you have the top slide out and the shell slings out. And whew, I was waiting for that. And it wasn't even... Oh, no. I think it was like semi-automatic in the sense that when you pull the trigger... Yes. It revolves the... Yeah. The... The barrel? What's that called? Yeah. The... It's a barrel.

19:55No, not the barrel, but the little holder where it holds the bullets. Shell? Oh, the barrel. Revolver. The barrel! No, the barrel is where the bullet goes through. No. Oh, but it's those... Those... Wait, yeah. What is that? The revolver, I guess. Yeah. What is that? There's a word for it. There's a word for it. All right. Let me level it. Let me remember. And, yeah, it was quite an experience. I have to say that definitely shooting guns should be left to adults. Yeah? Because, you know, it's like you have no... Like when you're a kid, you don't really have a good sense of like... You know, you don't work out. It's the cylinder. Is that what it's called? Revolving cylinder. There you go.

20:36The cylinder. Yeah. You don't have a good sense of, you know, how to sort of position yourself and you're not used to, you know, being ready for what might happen with the gun. So my posture was just like stupid. Yeah, but there's adults around you. They should have told you how to do this. Like, you know... I'm sure they did. But, you know, when you're a kid, you're like, oh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. And it was quite an experience. It was super loud. And my ears were buzzing. Do you didn't have ear protection? I'm trying to remember. We did. We did. But it's still really loud. Where's the story going? Maybe we didn't have ear protection, did we? I don't think so. Where was the story going? I don't think so. I thought that was bad for kids. That must have hurt. The story was going that I was fascinated by muzzle flares.

21:18And we were saying, were there muzzle flares when I shot the revolver? Right. I don't remember them. And Philip has, like, video footage, but it's like 15 frames a second. Yeah, so he wouldn't even catch it. So he's not going to capture the muzzle flares. And, yeah, I think they use special bullets, I think, to get more muzzle flare. Yeah. Because it looks great on film. Yeah. The thing is that even, you know, you were saying that there's a lot of debris in these, like, blanks and everything. So a lot of times they shoot against, especially if it's shooting towards a camera or some towards actors, there's usually, like, a screen. You know, like a plastic bulletproof screen. Yes, that's true, too. I noticed that. In the making of The Matrix, you can tell they had that quite a few times.

22:00But what I wanted to ask was, do you think they super, what's the word I'm saying? Super. Not supernaturally. What's the word, guys? Help me out. What? Like where you, chemically, not chemically, but where you, um... Alchemist. I can't believe I don't remember the word. I'm sorry for this episode. But I don't know where you're going now. No, no, no, no. Do you think they digitally added muzzle flares? Not here. Oh, I remember, I remember the first time you guys... Superimpose, is that the word? Yeah. The first time we did muzzle flares? Oh, that was a day. Remember that? 2002. February. I remember you guys. Because I saw the first movies you guys did. There were no muzzle flares, obviously.

22:41There was nothing. It was just straight on editing. And then you guys figured out, and back in the day, the trick was that you export your premiere clip into a film strip. Yes. Yes. And then you open it in Photoshop, and then you take like a brush, and you just like plop it there, manual frame by frame. And then when you guys showed me that, I was like, I was amazed. It was crazy. Ah, yes. We were amazed. But you know that trick, the Photoshop trick of having all the frames in Photoshop? That was magic, man. For us? Yeah. Because you could manipulate the image in Photoshop, save it, and now it's a video. Yes. What? Amazing, right? That's how we did lightsabers. And let me tell you, this is very similar to how they did it before digital.

23:23Really? Oh, yeah. Just draw it there, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But, you know what's funny? When we used to do that, especially with lightsabers, we were dumb kids, and we wouldn't pay attention. Like, don't get out of the frame into the next frame. Because it was a sheet. Imagine like a sheet of frames. Yeah, yeah. Rows and rows of frames. And we would sometimes like, the lightsaber would extend out into the next frame. And so when we rendered it, it'd be like, here's the lightsaber. But in the corners, like, there's a goal. Yeah, just for context, guys, we also made fan films of Star Wars, obviously. As everyone does. And this was back in 2000, 2001. And yes, we had lightsabers, and we tried to put lightsaber effects. Yeah, and so that's how we also did the muzzle flares.

24:05But then later, we advanced. On Photoshop tech. And I would go personally into movies like Blade and stuff like that, and I would go and cut out the muzzle flare. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And take it. And then take it as a PNG. And then place it in. Clever. That's good, that's good. That's much better than like drawing with like a paintbrush. Yeah. Because it would look terrible. But I have to say that in modern movies, a lot of times, and it's due to safety and budget, they use digital muzzle flares, and they don't actually shoot blanks anymore. But there are movies where it works, and it's done well, like maybe John Wick. That's like something, because they use mechanical guns. Oh, yeah, you couldn't do that. Such a closed range. Yeah.

24:45Because he's like, you know, shooting. And it's a good thing, because it's the first time you've ever seen on a movie such a closed range, you know, gun kind of action, where, you know, just shoots everyone in the head, like from point blank. Like, that's impossible to do a flare, because, you know, there's so much danger with a stunt double. But there's movies where they do it. I think it's changed now, yeah. That's a good point. Anything like that. Where it's like a one gunfire, and it just looks so bad. Like, when it's not an action movie that's like super specified on being, you know, that great looking, it's just like an offhand shoot, and it's like, oh, you know, why would he use a blank? You can just post it as a post. It can look so bad. Especially blood coming out of faces. Like, they use that like digitally now. Dude, I was going to mention.

25:25Let's talk about it. Without like the, what are they called? Those little explosions on your chest. What are they called? Spurts. Blood spurts. Squibs. Is that what you're talking about? Squibs. Yeah, squibs. Like, they don't use squibs anymore. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan, man. I don't like digital. I'm not a fan. Look, the digital blood is so... It works in 300. But then again... Yeah, that was amazing. But that's like the whole, like, it's amped up. It's a comic book. That's the whole point, yeah. But it's... Did you notice? I don't know if you're going to watch 300 anytime soon, but if you see how so much blood comes out of people, but you look at the floor... Nothing. I noticed that from the beginning, though. That's like... I was always... Because I wanted to just like, where's all the blood? It just disappears. Yeah. But honestly, I can see fake blood spurts anytime.

26:06It's just... Yes, yes. It's just so visible. It's true. It's true. It's sad. Because they really miss that visceral effect. Yeah. Yeah. You feel like you're there and you see it. Now it's just... Yeah. Maybe it's like... How can you go back to that Paul Verhoeven dead squib? Beautiful. Just squibs everywhere exploding. Just do it. Maybe it's like years of watching YouTube videos of, you know, video co-play tutorial kind of action shorts where it's just fake blood always. You can spot it. But you know, you could make squibs. There's like tutorials everywhere on YouTube to make actual squibs. To a combination, you know. Add more. That'd be the best. Add more, you know, blood and stuff. But, you know, it's important to have that sort of reaction of your actors and the surrounding

26:52and everything just to have that sort of, yeah, visceral feeling. So that's good. Let's go back to the minute. What happens next? Well, look. The smoke grenades come in. They're trying to smoke them out. Smoke them out. With Chipotle porters. Exactly. Smoke out. And then... There's a great shot of Apoc and Switch, Nintendo Switch, as they... Like, Apoc rolls a little bit and goes... And they're switching the background, just, you know... Precisely shooting some guys. Switch's pistol sounds amazing. Yeah. It's like... Yeah. Here's more stupid stories. The Apoc, when he rolls and starts shooting... When we were shooting one of our Matrix movies, and this was before... We'll show you guys. The Matrix, but this was the previous, the false swipe ones we did.

27:35Oh, false swipe. Yeah, yeah. I have that. I actually found it. Want me to... And we were sort of like brainstorming what it's going to be about. We were just basically brainstorming action scenes or like sequences. I remember I wanted to... By the way, our brainstorming sessions probably last about two minutes. Yeah, yeah. They'll last in that. And then I had an idea for action sequence and it was... The idea was Inspired Matrix, but it was like, well, you know, I'll... There's a gun on the floor and I'll do a roll and I'll grab the gun and then I'll start shooting with it. Oh, a very important thing is that you guys had a collection of like... Airsoft? Was it Airsoft or BB guns? I think it was BB guns. Replicas of guns. Jacob, what's the difference?

28:16I don't... Airsoft are... I think are stronger, but I think they work on the same sort of function. BB guns are more like... Please BB gun. But no, but dude, honestly, those replicas I had, those BB guns, they looked so good. They were like very authentic. And this was the most exciting part because I didn't have any of these kind of guns and I couldn't like buy them anywhere. And you guys bringing all that junk over when you came to visit was like the best thing. I could like hold these guns. We could shoot... We could shoot these movies and these replicas look good. And so I want to do this like it's on the floor and I go and I roll over and as I'm rolling over, I grab it from the floor. And as I go back to position from rolling, I'll shoot. And I was going to show this on the carpet on my living room.

29:01And I went for the roll and I hit my head on the gun. It hurt so bad the entire... Oh, really? Yeah. I was just like... Why were you rolling inside? I was so embarrassed. What? Why were you rolling inside? I wanted to show you like what were the sequence. Oh, yeah. We're like preparing. Yeah. So you hit your head, huh? Yeah. Just like smacked my forehead on the gun. Oh, man. Wow. That's sad. But here at 8th Pog, the professional, you know. Professional with his Cobre. With his old Cobre gun. If only we had that, you know, filmed, making of. Okay. I'm going to roll now. Yeah. I wish. That would be an office. That would be an office moment. Oh. Oh. And yeah, Switch has her browning high power. Ooh.

29:42Browning high power. That sounds like a diarrhea. I'm afraid you've got a browning high power. High power browning. You're going to have to cut back on the... Let's get out of the sequence. So they shoot the SWAT guy. Some of them. Trinity lifts the hatch to get out of the area. She does. Into the wherever. Secret exit. Or who knows where. Secret exit. Also, look how great she looks like with the bangs. Like, you know, with her hair going in front of her eyes. Because you won't be seeing that in the sequels. No. Everyone's slick and sly. No, she'll have a cow lick her every morning. Can you imagine that in the construct? Apoc makes it out, yeah. Tank, load it up. No. Switch makes it out. Everyone's making it out.

30:22They're not making it out, but they're making it out. Everyone's making out, especially Morpheus and Agent Smith. Now we're almost there. What? Who are you? I'm Agent Smith. You all look the same to me. Just like this big kiss. I love agents. I love agents. I don't care which one of you are. They're all so beautiful. Trinity says. I'm not gay. What? Come on. Yeah, Trinity goes, come on. Cipher's the last. And Cipher's the last. Look at this. And Cipher. And he trips like a moron. That's such a fake trip. But it's not on purpose, though? Yeah, obviously. He's like, oh no, I fail.

31:02And it's very confusing because he trips. Fakely. Yeah. The SWAT guys aren't shooting him. Hmm. And Trinity just looks ahead, looks, you know, into his vicinity. And she has no choice but to leave. Yep. Do you think Trinity, here's my question. I've always wondered with this scene and Cipher, about Cipher in general. So, you know, Cipher's the kind of guy in, on the Nebuchadnezzar ship that I don't think he's universally liked, per se. I don't think he's hated. He's not hated. But, you know, people don't, you know, spend their day thinking like, I wonder what Cipher doing? Or is Cipher okay?

31:43Should we talk to Cipher? How are you, Cipher today? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. But again, he's not, people aren't against him. Yeah. So when Trinity looks out and says like, you know, Cipher, you know, come with us. She's obviously, you know, being a good crew member and looking out for her team. But do you think that once he doesn't make it, do you think she's wondering about what's going on? Or do you think she's just going like, okay, well, I guess that's it. You know? Yeah, I think you're on the right path from the beginning that, you know, she doesn't care. For him that much. Maybe he did some stuff that she's disappointed in. So in this scenario, it's a very stressful situation. And it's like, she also wants to, you know, watch over for Neo.

32:27And she's also scared for her life. And, you know, if it was Morpheus, she would probably jump back. But it's like, eh, just Cipher. You know what I mean? It's like jump back. Yeah, it's just Cipher. She's thinking a lot about it. Because my impression is that she basically goes like, you know, I'm helping you out. And then something happens. And then after that, she's just like, she doesn't even have a second thought. She does kind of leave really quickly. It's like, come on. Exactly, yeah. It's a bit, yeah, you know. But do you think she's suspicious is my other question. No, no. I don't think so. No. No. I don't think she's none of the wiser. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff that changes in this sequence, in the script. So I'm going to have to say we should skip the 1996 stuff until maybe... Next week?

33:07Yeah, until the sequence is over. Because there's so much. There's a lot of things to talk about here. We'll have a little 1996 special. You know, when there's nothing happening. We can run through all this. It's cool. It's cool stuff. Go on. Now comes the cream of the crop moment, which you will see, Tim. I think we told you before, but I don't know. Once you see it, it's hard to unsee. So welcome to spoiling this for you forever. Well, that's why you're here. Yeah. Morpheus is talking to Agent Smith. Morpheus has Agent Smith pinned down, so to speak. Yeah, he does. Ready for the kiss. Ready for the kiss. Ready for the big smooch. He's holding... He's choking Agent Smith because he's into that stuff.

33:48Oh, by the way, I just... Oh, for some reason... Can we go back to being serious a little bit? Fine. Sure. Let's be serious. Look at that green shot. So here they are. Morpheus says... The banter is what? Like, you all do the same? The music? Well, no. He says... What's your name? What's your name? Where are you from? What's your age? How old are you? Are you into boys, girls? What was that? Was that ASML? What was that? Age? ASL. Age, sex, language. Language? No. What's L? What's L? Language, isn't it? Yeah. Language. What was the one you were thinking of, Tim?

34:29Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. That thing. I think so. What else would it be? I guess, yeah. Love. Age, sex, land. That's the land that you're from. Location? Location. Yeah, I think location. Yeah, yeah. Like town or whatever. Yeah, location. Yeah, there you go. I don't think language. Yeah. So Agent Smith says, The Great Morpheus. Spanish, we meet at last. So they know that he's the Great Morpheus. Yeah. And if you bring that deleted scene from, you know, Eddie, those days, and he's always talking to Morpheus over the phone, now they finally meet. Well, I was going to say, it's very nice of him to call him the Great Morpheus. I mean, he could have said the lame Morpheus.

35:10Morpheus the lame. They said the great. You retard. You know? He's nice to him. Yeah. And he goes, and you are? And he's like, a smith. He says a smith, right? No. No. Smith. Agent Smith. Oh, see, because for a long time he sounds like he's saying a smith. Yeah, Hugo Weaving's accent, or whatever he's doing, he really sounds like he's saying a smith. And so I thought, hmm, there's more smiths? Yeah. Well, I thought, like. Or he meant metaphor like an agent, but he calls himself like a smith. Yeah, yeah. But there could be more smiths, you know? Like that version. Yeah, maybe. Oh, no. Really? Dude, you never know. You know, only one of them is the, you know, curious smith. I mean, exit Mr. Hat. Maybe, maybe.

35:50Is not definitive Matrix. Lore. Yeah, let's just decide, you know. It's not even canon. Yeah, I wonder why that's not definitive Matrix lore. Should be. So go on, and then Morpheus says, after he says smith, Morpheus goes, you all had the same to me. Like that. He's about to cry. Yeah, and then smith gets away from his choke, actually, you know, widens his arms with Morpheus's. Hmm. That sounds interesting. Widens his arms. Like, he's so strong that he is actually separating. And Morpheus is going, he's struggling. He can't. He's pushing away Morpheus's hands from his neck. Yes, yes. Because he was a superpower. Wow, you actually said that so much better than I did.

36:32Yeah, no forcing widening. It's like they're doing some kind of dance. Yeah. And then, and then what happens is this, right? Yeah, just. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So he's pushing away his arms, Morpheus's arms. Here it comes, here it comes. Before. This is the entire reason why he wanted to do Matrix. He's finished. Or before he can make another move. Yeah. Morpheus goes and headbutts Agent Smith. Yes. But, are you ready for the secret of the ages? Now, turn away if you don't want your, this movie ruined. Oh, I see it. I see it now. Yeah, look away.

37:13I see it. Look away. But if you want to see the secrets, there is no turning back. Yes. This is true. It's true. It's like the Matrix. You never, ever unsee this. Freeze frame on your video right before Morpheus actually headbutts him. Yeah. The take of Agent Smith. That's our screenshot, isn't it? Yeah, and the screenshot, that's our screenshot. What you will notice. No, you're ruining it even more for people. Oh, yeah, that's true. What? You want to make people click? Let's explain it. Okay, whatever. Go on. The glasses are pre-broken. Yes. And they look so stupid. The lenses, one lens on one eye. They're not connected. Why?

37:53Because once he gets hit, they can fall. Exactly. And it looks ridiculous. It looks ridiculous. It's amazing. It looks like a bug man. And the funny thing is that you never notice this. It looks like there's CGI on his head. But once you play the movie again, having this new knowledge, you'll see it. You'll always see it. Oh, it's great. And then he does it like a... Attack of... He's enjoying this really, really hard. It's like, oh, you want to fight me? I'll show you what a headbutt is. And just goes... Yeah, yeah. Of course. Well, that's the thing. That's what Agent Smith is. He's more human than the other guys. And then he headbutts him like 500 times.

38:34And then punches him in the throat. And he flies away. And he flies away. It's so true. Now, the headbutt thing is kind of like a recurring element. Because later on, Neo and Smith headbutt each other quite a bit. So we'll see a lot of that. So this final shot in our minute is... They're butt heads. Agent Smith punching. Yeah, he flies away. He punches Morpheus. Morpheus flies away and hits the wall. Is this set built in a different way where the gravity is different or no? I think they just pulled a guy. Or they're using strings. Yeah. Yeah. I think they just pulled a guy. It does look very stringy. A lot of these action, like the supernatural, whatever actions that happen that are not realistic,

39:20they look a bit stringy. Yeah. Some strings will pull. Well, that's it. And we'll save the good stuff for next time. Next time. Be sure to click the show notes if you want to see the amazing glasses. Or no, it's going to be our image. Or no. Yeah. We should leave it a secret. Yeah. We'll leave it so you can look it up. Good. Thank you. Thank you. Seek and you shall find it. Have a nice weekend. Enjoy your Sylvester. As they call it here. Yeah. Last two days of 2017 and we'll see you in 2018. Wow. Do they call that America? Sylvester? Or do they just call it New Year's Eve? Never heard of it. What's the Sylvester? You never heard of Sylvester? Sylvester. Never heard of it. They call it New Year's Eve Sylvester here because Sylvester has his name day.

40:03Oh. Sylvester. Is this the English word or no? What's the translation? Sylvester. It's a name. Sylvester Stallone? Sylvester Stallone? Is it a saint? Sylvester or something? No, no. It's just, you know, like name day. Like everyone, there's a name day on every day. Yeah, but aren't name days based on the saints? No, no, no. They're just normal names. Every day is a name day. Oh, by the way, Tim, our cousin, your brother, your older brother, Stan, he was on our podcast in case people forgot. Oh, yeah. I think he still mispronounces some people's names. Sylvester Stallone's case. He keeps calling him Stallone.

40:45Stallone. Stallone. Yeah. Let me see the Sylvestre. Stallone. That's probably the Italian way to say it, you know, the old way. Stallone. Sure. Sure. But if Sylvester Stallone doesn't know. Spaghetti Stallone. Whatever. I was right, Tim. What? St. Sylvester's Day. Sure. It could be a saint. So now every time I think of you, I'm going to think of Sylvester the Cat. This sounds great. Yeah. I bet people say, like, have a nice Sylvester. You know? Maybe. Never heard of it. But we do not film any of this. Well, just like signing your John Hancock. Exactly. Yeah. John signing your Sylvester. If you, dear listener, are familiar with St. Sylvester's Day in the United States, then write us in and we can learn something together.

41:27Well, that's Agent Smith's first name. Sylvester Smith. Sylvester Smith. Yeah. Yeah. We will be back next week. Yeah. As usual. With more goodness. First one of 2018. It'll, in fact, be January 1st. Really? True. So, yeah. So you can start your year correctly. Listening to the Matrix. I mean, listening to us idiots talk about things we don't know. Oh, yes. Yeah. There's so much in store. There's so much in store. We have everything pre-planned. Everything is ready. Three months in advance. Just like the new Star Wars trilogy. Everything was pre-planned. Everything. Oh, yeah. Before we end, at the beginning, we were like, I was saying, oh, you were the cautionary tale of, you know, what to not do with your computers.

42:09But there's another story to give it a positive, positive twist. I remember my brother saying, when Jake, you were like eight or something like that, or nine, and he was like, that Jacob, he's such a smart boy. I was like, so surprised. He's like eight, nine. Wow. And he came and he's like, uh, Stan, how often should I defragment my hard drive? And he's like, I didn't, like, I didn't even know you know what that means. I remember listening. And I was like, yeah, that's cool. And I had no idea what that means. So I remember actively searching what the hell is defragmentation of a disc mean. So I can, so I'm like, little Jacob knows it. I don't know what it is. What is this? Yeah. I will be outdone by an eight year old.

42:50So you literally just went along with it. Like, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's cool. But then I just like spent, how long did it take you to find out back in the day of dialogue? Um, I, I honestly, I think I might've asked someone because I couldn't find it online. I didn't know where to look for it. I maybe looked at magazines, just like really actively searching for that word. And, you know, just didn't get any clue what the hell that means. So yeah. It's so weird though, thinking about that, like on, how you have to do that on Windows computers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It used to be like really garbage of like sorting out your files on those. But I do remember speaking of it, I do remember Stan like telling me like you should do it, you know, I think it was like once a month or something crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That will program and you watch it, it like sorts out the hard drive and then you're like, it's a nice.

43:31You know, it's great. Don't have to defragment solid states. Oh, that's right. By the way, I was going to ask. No need with Windows. Because I haven't been in the Windows world for a long time. I like Windows 10, by the way. I have no qualms. So now it's over. The area of defragmentation is over because. If you have solid states, yeah. But if you don't. Well, I think I should. Yeah. Yeah, you should. So it's still the case. But I don't have an operate. There is no operating system that is running a magnetic disk. Oh, right. Because if you just use it for like storing files, it's not that hectic as if you use, you know, old school hard drive for like a system. As a Buddha drive, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because then like it gets stored all over the place. Crazy. And also these disks are a lot faster, even the, you know, the spinning ones. You back in the day, because that was, you would like lose a lot of speed because the needle

44:15would have to go all over the, over the disk to access, you know, frequently access stuff and that will take longer. If you defragment it, it will be at the same location. So it'll be faster load. Man, I'm so glad those days are over. Yep. Yeah. Imagine. Imagine. So. Just imagine. That's it for us. I hate that song. And since we haven't plugged anything, we'll just go ahead and plug a few things. Plug my hole. What? Best place. Yeah. We watched Existence. That was. That was a good one. Oh, yeah. We need to talk about Existence. We need to talk about this next time. We were planning to watch it. We were planning to watch it. Watch all the ones recommended, right? Yes. All the recommended movies. And watch Existence.

44:56And we watched Hackers, too. Which was just like, we mentioned it before because of the style. Oh, man. Hackers. What a great film. Hackers was. You know, Hackers is the kind of movie that I literally forgot we watched the next day. Yeah. And I remembered like, oh, yeah. I actually don't remember what happened, but I do know that Gizmo was in the film. Gizmo from the Matrix draft. Yeah. That's true. That was epic. Anyway, Existence. Played by Matthew Ballard. What a film. Existence was a weird, weird movie. And not weird as in like, oh, this is freaking interesting. It's like, why was anyone making this? Yeah, why was anyone making this? Exactly. I think we all were like, what? Why? Why would you do this? Why? What can you do? David Cronenberg, you know? I don't know.

45:36Meat gun. That's what you can do. Meat gun. Shoot teeth. It's more like a bone gun, though. The meat guns, though. That was the worst, I think. It shot the teeth. Yeah. The worst was the stupid connection, like when they plug it in their ass, the little controllers. It wasn't even that, man. It was like, it was in your spine. Well, you have a little hole in your spine. We'll talk about that movie maybe sometime. We will. We'll talk about sports. Deadly sports. Deadly sports. Exactly. All right. Fantastic. Have a great... Welcome to the new year. Is this your new year? No, next time. Oh, okay. Well... We'll be new men. We'll be men of the future next episode. Men of the future.

46:17Enjoy, everyone. Have a good one. See ya. Bye.