Minute 80: “I hope the Oracle gave you some good news.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00Welcome to the Matrix Minute, a podcast where we discuss the first film one minute at a time and hello, welcome to Minute 80. We are now in the 80s, we're out of the 70s, 79 was last time and 79 had Alien come out, which was a great film. I really like that film and I agree with Tim that it is the best in the Alien series. It is the one, the only one that should be considered. It is, you know, December 2, it's a great effort and it is, it's great that it's been a unique approach, you know, changing up the style, but I just don't care for it that much. I just love the first one too much. Okay, we're going to get the guys from Alien Minute to show up.

0:41No guys, why don't you guys go, you and Tim. Oh, why don't we go to Alien? Let's pack our bags. Let's go. They're going to do Alien 3 now. Do you really want Alien 3? I don't even watch Alien 3. I don't know. Was that Winona Ryder? No, no, it's the David Fincher one that he hated. I want to go back to making a race at hand. It's a pure depression film. Oh no, David Fincher, not. What minute is this? This is Minute 80. Empire Strikes Back came out this year. I'm Phil. I'm Jake. And this is what happens and it's very scary. The group run it. Scary. Calm down. Because it says the group run IP the stairs. Okay. It's okay. Shh. Come down.

1:22Breathe in. I'm going up the stairs. Say some consulants. Consulants. Are you okay? I'm talking. The group run up the stairs, trying to escape the dozens of SWAT officers storming into the old hotel. Morpheus leads the way and he too finds the brick wall on the windows. Morpheus calls Tank on the cell phone and asks for the construction drawings of the main wet wall. The cops are coming in hot pursuit. Agent Smith and Brown are commanding them after Smith looks over the body of Mouse. Apok gives Neo a gun and hopes the Oracle gave him some good news. As the group tries to evade the ascending SWAT team coming ever nearer. Okay. First of all.

2:02What's up? Well, I wanted to say that now they just go up the stairs. They go through a corridor. Another window is blocked. Before that is our outro music with the podcast. Oh, yeah. Made by Tim. Yeah. And you have that anvil. And then you have some percussion. Okay. So these are windows that are bricked. I understand. They basically brick up the whole building because I always thought this is the archway to Mouse and they can't get to Mouse now. Oh, are you serious? Really? You thought they can't get to Mouse? Because I thought it was a door and it's locked so he can't get out and then they're like, oh, let's get to Mouse and we can't get to Mouse because the archway is blocked. Nope.

2:42That's the logic. It just looks like that. I just realized that the Nebuchadnezzar crew has two bald guys and one is white and one is black. And they both have... Oh, no. He doesn't have facial hair. Never mind. No. No. Your theory has fallen into the ground. But look at it. You can see two little bald craniums there. Yeah. Yeah. The two balls. Now. Cypher's acting. It's like Ferdinand Rocher and Philo. Cypher's acting is pretty good. Like, what's his name again? The actor? Joey Pants. Joey Pants. His acting is pretty good at pretending to act. Oh my God.

3:23Oh, we trapped. There's no way out. Oh, they changed it. Oh, let me go to the bathroom. I'm so scared. Did you guys ever notice that Morpheus asks for a cell phone? Yes. Yes, of course. That's classic. Yeah. Oh, it's classic? I kind of, I thought it was a recent discovery for me anyway. Oh, really? Like, ever since beginning, because I, you know, so obviously he takes away the phone. So he's like, oh, I can't get it out of my pocket. But I love that attention to detail, though. Yeah. It's great. Because it's like, he's, you know, he doesn't want to get out of it. But look at Trinity. Trinity. So fast. Efficient. And then as a good schoolgirl, she puts her hands behind her back. Yes, yes, yes. Look at that. Professor would be proud of me. Good job. Hopefully Neo was watching. Why doesn't Morpheus have a phone?

4:05That is a good question. I think he might have did the cipher trick. He left it in his coat. Oh, okay. He puts his coat off. I always forget my phone in the coat. Yeah. I might have done the, like, put the coat in the phone. Phone in the coat. And then leave it there so it's like a call and then they follow the coat. Oh, okay. Tim, how does it make sense? Morpheus' coat is on at the beginning of this minute. Oh, right. He takes it off. He takes it off. And the phone's in there. And the phone's in there. He's like, pfft. He leaves it on purpose. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. As a trace, you know? Why else would he take off his damn coat? Because he's hot. That's what I thought.

4:46It's hot in here. Like a Trinity. She's covered in that shit. She likes it. Remember, we can make a little sound effect thing where you just hear Trinity. We talked about that once, remember? That's why we're referencing it. Oh. What is this? Okay, we got 1996 script here. Oh. That's going to be good. Wait, wait. We'll leave that for the end. Okay. That's the cherry. Yeah. And then... So they're trying to escape. The squat guys are coming up. The squat guys. They're squatting up the stairs. Wait, wait, wait. Let's talk about the foreign language keyboard. Oh, yeah. We can see the insert of Tank's cutoff gloves. Yes. He's got some special symbols.

5:26That is a sick keyboard, though. That is like some Atlantis stuff. No, no. The rest of the keys are normal. It's a QWERTY. Oh, I see. Just the function keys. No, it's not even the function key. The function keys are special, but it's the number key. You know where the special characters are? Those are special. He can play cards. He has got the... Oh, he's the master cardsman. I think what's confusing me, I guess, is because the regular letters are such a dark gray that they blend in with the keyboard. Yeah. He has a... You know, on the special character one, after the circle, there's a cross, it looks like. Let me see. Oh, my goodness. It's a Neo key. Look at that. Really? And then he has CH as well.

6:07And you see it? Next to the women sign. Let me see. Or is that... There's a say opposite of that. There's like a ring upside down. It's just like a female sign, and then it turns into... Maybe this is like he's an illustrator, and he uses great shapes, you know, like vector shapes. Mm-hmm. Oh, I need, you know, tetrahedon now, and square. I think the point is just to look really cool and different. Yes, of course. It's amazing. That's the matrix code. That's how you code it. He looks at the... He finds the wet wall. I'm looking at this retro blueprint. Yeah, you can look at the hotel. That has like a page animation as well. You can see the entire thing. It's like iPads in the future. Oh my goodness. There's a page turn. Yeah, just like the interactive... CD-ROM in Jurassic Park.

6:49Oh, really? They have a page turn? Yeah. So Tim's right that they do cover Mouse, which is an interesting thing. I thought the curtain just fell on him. That's true. I think so. But it's like... Oh, look at his face. It was a ghost. Yeah, so now we see the agents already there with the body of Mouse sitting there limpily. But when he said, Tank, look for the main wet wall. Funny enough, the Wachowskis, they used to be running a carpentry and construction business. I know, yeah. It's crazy. From their parents or from their dad. And that's what they used to do before they did... What is a wet wall? Maybe plumbing goes in the wet wall? Yeah.

7:29What does it mean? Why is it wet? It's a section of... Because that's where all the pipes go. Oh, I see. I see. That's why it's wet. It's not like actually wet. Can you just look it up, my friend? Just to double check so we're not like... My good friend. Spreading lies. What is it? I just love the... A wet wall is a wall that encloses water supply or drain lines. There we go. I love the choreography and the body movement. The Wachowskis know this because they know all about construction. The scene, I'm sorry, going back to Morpheus is... This is great blocking here. So you start off with Morpheus as he's touching the wall. Then Trinity and Cypher come in and then you have a little story about them.

8:10Cypher does his whole, you know, can't pull out the phone. Then switch rollerblades across the screen. Like whoosh. And she's like in command and so is Apok. And Neo in the background looking around like a lost puppy. He's like, look guys, what are you doing? He's, you know, he's reliving the day at the club. Oh, yeah. Looking around. It's amazing. And it's great because I think most of these people are... Well, you know, Cypher's doing something else. But they're really terrified of the agents, I think. I think this is, you know, and then Mouse died. So they're kind of like, you know, no. This is like 1996 when, you know, whatever happened last time. When half the crew died.

8:51Remember? Oh, yeah. Last time when Eddie was there, yeah. Epok. It has a really amazing gun. One of the best gun close-ups I've ever seen. It's a beautiful gun. He has an Uzi gun, a micro Uzi, Uzi, micro Uzi in his hand. I love those. So I used to be... You like the Uzi's? At Tomb Raider, I was like always obsessed with Uzi's. Because Lara Croft has two micro Uzi's, you know, the Israeli ones. And just like... I used to be a gun kid. And I used to like... Tim, you were wrong. Like different models. What? What? Tell me. I spoke too soon. Did you do any research on this gun? Because I think my best guess is the gun that Epok gives Neo, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

9:32Yep. It's called a Sig Sawyer. It's a Glock 17. No, I'm saying what he has in his other hand. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a micro Uzi. Yeah. This is a Glock? Those are pretty sweet. That's not a Glock, Philip. Yeah, they are. That does not look like a Glock at all. Glocks are weird looking. No, no, no. He got a... Okay. What is it? Gave him a Zastava. What? A Zastava? A CZ-99. No way. Is that like a Russian gun or what? Zastava. Which means flag. That's a car. It's Serbia. No way. Oh, way. Wait, but they named the car and a gun, same name? A Zastava? Yeah. Yeah, because there was a car Zastava too. Yeah. Yeah?

10:12That's amazing. So there you go. Zastava's a Serbian gun in the matrix. CZ-99. Zastava is a Yugoslavian car maker. Didn't they make the Yugo? Yes. Yes, yes. Yugo was in the 80s. The most famous. I think more famous one is a Stoico. You know Stoiadin? No. No, the Zastava car maker and the Zastava arms, which is the gun maker. There you go. And you know the funny thing is, no, I remember. It's sort of at the same factory. Oh. They made guns and the cars. Really? Yes. Both. It's just an owner of guns. Yeah, in Karagoyeva. Exactly. Yes. So cars and guns. Yes. Cars and guns. And what is the gun name?

10:53CZ-99. CZ-99. There it is. Wow. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. It's a Stoica. Yep. And it was, let's see, when was it made? Probably 1989. 1989. 1989. When I was born. So it's my... Wow. Look at that. Look at that. You're just... And you have a connection here. Yeah. Yeah. You're connected through the gun. And it got the best close-up. Yeah. With the twirl. So we could say that, you know... And it's based on a German SIG Sauer. There it is. So I was right. Sauerkraut. Sauerkraut. I was right. It was a derivative of the SIG-Sauer. Yeah. SIG-Sauer. There we go. Sauerkraut, as the Germans call it. Okay. So... Well, according to the...

11:33That's interesting. According to the resources, the research here. Yeah. So how do we know it's a Sastre-Vanada SIG? I'll tell you why. Okay. Because according to... IMFDB.org, which is the internet movie firearms database, it used to be a SIG-Sauer P228, but they said that some of the weapons rental invoice documents published on PropStore.com have confirmed that it was a CZ-99. Maybe it was cheaper, you know? Yeah. Get one of these. Who knows? Who knows the reason? I don't think you rent those. I mean, a disaster one has a... Made in Yugoslavia... A symbol or...?

12:14Yeah, symbol. But it's on the right side, so we can't see it, unfortunately. But that would be a good indicator. Yugoslavia? What's that? What's this? I never went to Yugoslavia. Is this London? In Heathrow? What about Morpheus being in Heathrow? What is this piece of shit gun? Is Yugo? What is this? It's free pizza! Free pizza! Free pizza! I just can't resist saying that. That's interesting. What an amazing revelation. Yeah. You learned a lot today. Mr. Apoch says, I hope the Oracle gave you some good news. Yeah. What do you think he meant by that?

12:54Well, he's just... He'll survive. She didn't say, like... Tonight you won't die. He won't die. So, he hopes the Oracle gave him some good news. That's because we're in some bad situation right now. Yeah. And it's also a cool thing to say. It is a cool thing. Especially when you're twirling guns. Yeah. And when you're twirling guns, you gotta say something smart. And you say, like... You can't say, like... This is a gun, Neo. You can't say, this is Zastava. This is Zastava. Wave it as a flag. You have to go. Hope the Oracle gave you some good news. Wink. You know, he could have winked a little bit. That'd be honest. He did wink. We don't know. Because he had glasses. And then there go the SWAT teams. Also, in this minute, the other thing that happens is Morpheus is talking to Tank.

13:37And he's like, I need the main wet wall. Try to find the schematics for the building. There's a wet wall and a dry wall. Americans. Yeah, Americans love it. But the agents, we cut to the agents. Smith and Jones, I think. And they touch their earpieces. And then Smith goes... That's how they connect. Ath floor. So they're intercepting the call. They touch each other like that. It's intimately on their earpieces. Do you feel bad, Joe? Like avatars, they have to connect their tails. That's how agents connect. Do you feel the eighth floor? Imagine a moment. It's like, can I touch your earpiece? That's very intimate. Okay, Jones.

14:17Just one. Be careful. It's sensitive. It's my first time. My first time somebody touching my earpiece. I'm very nervous. Be careful. Be gentle with me. I'm very nervous. All right. So, well, they're intercepting the call. Isn't that something? Yeah, they're intercepting the call. Are they? Or they just hear a matrix that's like, oh, there's a new signal in here. What is this? And then it tells them on the earpiece. And there's a great shot of the agent looking up. Of Agent Brown looking up. That's cool. I have no clue what they're doing. But presumably, maybe... Switch's glasses are almost goggles.

14:58It's funny to watch this isolated because it is a sequence of suspense and everything kind of builds up. And just having it sort of like sequenced out like this, it kind of makes it hilarious. It doesn't have the same effect. It doesn't have the same effect anymore. It's a silly little Scooby-Doo run right now. Oh, the Scooby-Doo run. And it also kind of makes you realize that when they're shooting this stuff, they have to be like, let's make this look cool. You know, and you have to actually shoot people doing cool looking things. Which in the moment looks kind of lame. But then when you edit it, it looks good. Yes. They make them run like, you know, a couple blocks around to get that sort of out of breath.

15:40So every scene is like, you know... I hate when you have like a movie where they don't really care about the details. And it's supposed to be like a rushed scene and everyone's just like normal. Not like breathing naturally after running. You mean when they don't breathe naturally? Yeah, I mean like in like a cheapo movie, you know. You can clearly see it. They don't do any exercising. It's just like... Like the continued... You know what I mean. Yes. When they cut and it's like they are not out of breath. They're just... Yeah. In their neutral... Yes. Position. This position. I love the shadows of the guns as they run up. It is quite beautiful. Spooky.

16:21Spooky in the hallway? Yes. And Scyther looks like a SWAT member because he has a darkness. It looks like a helmet. The darkness. It looks like he has... So what if Scyther actually escaped here? Like what if he... He wasn't going to. He's going to figure out a way to get to the SWAT. He needs the access codes to Zion. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's turning in Morpheus. Yeah, he is. Yes, but... He has to make sure the Morpheus is captured. Yeah. Can't just... You know, they could all come back. Right. So it's a scary plan. It is. It is a bad plan. Thank you. What? We're ending right now?

17:01Are we done? Is that it? We're done. I don't know. Let's talk about guns some more. Okay. What would you bring? What would you bring to the Matrix? As an Epic and as a member? Yes. Oh, thank you. I think I would just bring a classic Beretta. Black Beretta. Neo carries one at the end. He uses... He has a dual Beretta. Dual Berettas at the lobby. And if you still don't know what it looks like, just think of Neo when he's... The showdown between Agent Smith and Neo as they are flying into each other's arms. No, they don't. They fly into each other, shooting at each other with the guns. Agent Smith has a Desert Eagle, as we've spoken about before. Neo has a classic Beretta. I think the Beretta is like one of the most famous movie guns ever.

17:43You know what I'm talking about? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. It's a lethal weapon. I think Die Hard. I think John McClane has a Beretta. I think you can't go wrong with a Beretta. It looks cool. What about you guys? I'll bring a single one. That'd be cool. Just a single Beretta. It's like a slim, slimness. The black one. Yeah. Police gun. I'm loving that micro-Uzi, to be honest. You're also an Uzi-man? Yeah. Trinity takes that later as well. So you take a single or a double? One? Yeah, just one. You can hold it with your both hands. What about you, Tim? What would you bring? I think Mal's got it right, because we can clearly see that agents can... ...and dodge bullets. And, you know, if you fire a semi-automatic, like a Beretta... Guys, I'm sorry.

18:23Tim, I'm sorry. Epoch did not carry a micro-Uzi. What is it? Cobre M11-9. Oh! Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. But that's okay. I'll look it up. Wait, no. What is it called again? Cobre M11... It just looks similar to the Uzi, right? Similar, but... Another, like, copy? Uzi... Like, what is this? Who made this? Cobre Company. What is this from? Oh, it's just America, North Dakota. Huh, weird. Maybe they based it off the Uzi. Oh, it's a funny-looking gun, to be honest. They use it... Oh, they use it, like, especially with the suspensor.

19:04But anyway, so Miles got the right idea, because they can dodge bullets. So even if you have an automatic, like an Uzi or an assault rifle, they can still dodge it. But if you get, like, a shotgun that disperses, you know, your shot, shoot... Yeah. That's better. They can't dodge a whole, you know... No. How are they going to dodge that? So I think Miles got it right. He just... He got kind of screwed over that he couldn't get his guns out in time. Because otherwise, he would, like, spray that shotgun on everyone. Yeah, because... He's a smart one. If it's just single shots... He'd be the hero. He'd get extra goop if he got back. Yeah. And he can go dodge this and just, like, spray, you know... How about this one? How about this one? Should have ended that sentence.

19:44How about this one? You want to see the woman in the red dress? Sorry, you're not on the VIP list. Amazing. I think he's got the right idea. I would bring something like that. Or maybe just, like, you know, the semi-automatic shotguns. The one, you know, that holds, like, I don't know, like 20 rounds or something like that. Like from Jurassic Park? Yes. Yes, like that. But I think they have even better ones. I think they have, like, little barrels. You're talking about the SWAT guns? No. Like, Tim was saying, bringing a shotgun. He'd bring a shotgun. Automatic shot 12 gauge. Let's see. Those are insane. They make them today. You know, it's like... Yeah, the ones that have, like, a little canister. I think it's a Spaz 12. I think that's what it is. No, that's the... Spaz 12 is the one from Jurassic Park.

20:27Let's see. What is it? Usas? Yeah, this thing. Okay. Let's see. It is a USAS 12. Don't see it. Yeah. You see it? And you have, like, a normal canister, but then you have the barrel canister as well. Like this. Daiwu Precision Industries, USAS 12. This whole thing. This whole... This whole bag of rust. Ah, I see. I understand. Also made in 1989. It was meant for me. Ah. Well, the SWAT cops, most of them carry...

21:10What do they carry? Leader Dynamics T2 MK5s. Ooh, MK5s? Short barreled assault rifles, which were made in Australia, so... MK5 is a classic. Yeah, MP5s and a lot of video games. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't MP5, uh... What, uh... Mr. Mr. Diehard has? John McClane? John McClane. He has an MP5, right? Our girl picked him up from the plane. What's the website again? He calls it a machine gun, but that's... That's not an actual machine gun. I'm FDB. Let's see. That's a submachine gun. Dumbass. Are we almost done? Wait. Look at this. Look at this. We're done. Go.

21:50Go. So, guess what? The Beretta confirmed. The Beretta confirmed. I like how Jigov actually waved his hand at the monitor. Confirmed. Confirmed. Let's see the one you're talking about. So, he uses a Heckler & Koch HK94, which is a... Who uses a Heckler? A submachine. John McClane steals it and uses it. Yeah, MP5, right? Well, I don't know if it's an MP5, but... It's a Heckler & Koch, right? Yeah, but HK94. What is it? HK... 94 submachine gun. It's still a submachine gun. It's not a machine gun. Yeah. So, it's meant to resemble an MP5.

22:31Oh, okay. And it's supposed to say then, ho, ho, ho, now I have a submachine gun. Which doesn't sound... That is cool. That is cool. All right. Well, thank you for listening to our very... These were quite interesting episodes. Yeah. Interesting episodes of this holiday season. It's getting more chaotic as it is. It's getting insane. You know what we should do for, like, January? We should come back and be like, welcome. You should be shouting. No, no, no. We should be, like, completely stoic. I would shout if I had, you know, better insulation on this. We should be super stoic in January. Just be... I believe the metaphorical meaning.

23:13Right, right, right. But when we have guests, we'll get back into... We'll shout at the guests. Yeah. You pee and poo at the same time? Can you imagine how horrendous it would be if you're like, all right, you're done, and then you cut, press it, and call. Oh, my goodness. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Who was that? Oh, God. See you later. Oh, yeah. Have a nice weekend. Just kidding. We'll talk more Matrix scenes. It's building up. It's scary. Scary? Okay. Good guys are in trouble. It's scary. Wait, I want to get a good one in this time. Thanks, everyone. Wait, wait. We'll do it after I'm done. Thanks, everyone, and see you Monday. Bye. Bye.

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