Minute 47: “I’m Tank, I’ll be your operator.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00This is the Matrix Minute. Philip apologizes, Scott. Whoa, welcome. It's Friday, the Matrix Minute. And with us is Scott Corelli once again, I think for the final time. For now. But yes, he's here. Hello, sir. Hello. Thanks for having me. This has been fun. Hooray! Yes. And of course with me is Tim and Jake. And I just wanted to say that I have my trivia. And my trivia is that we have more than one connection to Commando in this film. Wait, wait, wait. What's the first one? Well, the first one is obviously that John Matrix is the... is Matrix. All of this is happening in John Matrix's head, don't you know this, Jacob?

0:43Yeah. This is what he dreams. When Johnny goes to bed, the Matrix awaits. This is what he dreams. And sincerest apologies to everybody because we usually have a routine where we actually ask our guests at the beginning of like the week that they're on what the Matrix means to them and how they got introduced to it. And I completely... All of us completely forgot. We're terrible. So Scott, this will be like... Instead of it being like at the beginning, it's like the climax of our... Maybe it's even better. Yeah. Of our story. So you can say, what does the Matrix mean to you? And how were you introduced to it? Uh, so I was 14 years old when it came out.

1:27And, um, I remember that... I think I... I must have seen a trailer, but I think I only saw that teaser trailer that was basically just the mirror thing. It like opened with like the mirror melting. Yes, I saw the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And it was a very simple trailer. And I remember at the time, just not... I didn't really know Keanu Reeves. Or if I did, like I just knew him as Ted Theodore Logan. And that was basically it. And so it didn't really do anything for me. And my dad at the time, I would go see movies with him a lot. And, um, there were a few movies that he dragged me to go see that I was like, I really don't

2:10want to go see this, but I guess I'll go because you're my dad. Um, and, uh, one of those was Gross Point Blank, which was ended up, you know, being one of my favorite movies. Another one was this movie, uh, which he was like, we have to go see The Matrix. And I was like, I don't, that weird mirror Wonderland movie. I don't, I don't want to, I don't know, whatever. Um, and so he was like, no, no, no, we're going to go see it. It's going to be good. And so, uh, we went and saw it. And I remember when it ended, I basically just turned to my dad and was like, can you buy me a ticket so I can watch it again right now? And he did. And so I went right back in and I watched it a second time in a row.

2:51That's awesome. Sick, dude. And, uh, and, and yeah, so I just, I, this movie, I mean, you know, it blew my little 14 year old brain apart. Um, I didn't think at the time, I didn't think a movie could be cooler than Blade, uh, Blade. At the time. Yeah, I was going to ask like, what was the movie that was like compared to like, what was the big movie at that time before you saw The Matrix? Um, before I saw The Matrix, the movie that I was the most obsessed with was probably Scream and Blade. Okay. Um, those are like the two movies that I would, I watched all the time. And then, uh, The Matrix, uh, once that came out on DVD, like that became part of my cycle

3:31where I, I would watch, I probably watched this first Matrix. I mean, a couple hundred times, um, through, uh, you know, the end of middle school in my freshman year. Um, because I would, I would, when I would go get home from school, I would just put on a movie and just watch it like three times in a row while I was like also doing other things. Right. You know? Um, it was like my version of listening to music is like, I would just put a movie on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and The Matrix was definitely one of those, one of those movies. And so I watched it, I mean, hundreds of times. Um, and by the time the sequels came around, like I don't, I, I couldn't have possibly been

4:12more amped for those sequels, uh, because of how much I loved this movie. Um, and, uh, yeah, I mean, it, it really just sort of, um, I, I don't know, like it, you know, I was, I was at a point where I was just starting to sort of get into the idea that I wanted to make movies for a living and seeing the world building that was going on in this movie. I mean, that, that sort of concept of, of world building and, and how to build sort of like your own universe inside of a movie. Like I, I had, you know, I, I'd obviously seen things like star Wars and stuff before, but I hadn't ever really thought about the process it would take to do something like

4:53that. And so I think The Matrix, um, just started sort of, I don't know, freeing my mind, um, and, uh, and, and making me sort of, um, you know, try and, and, and create stories and, and things for, um, I don't know, stories on a larger scale. I think that I had ever, uh, at the time. So like my, my early, my late middle school, early high school, like it was all, you know, scream blade, the matrix and Buffy. Uh, that was like my, a lot of leather trend coat, trend coats. Yeah. A lot of leather trench coats. Yeah. That's awesome. And here's a question, Scott. Now you mentioned, uh, on the podcast that you did some, uh, movies of your own.

5:37Have you ever tried when the matrix came out to make sort of like emulate the matrix movies or. Oh no. No, no. I think I found it too intimidating. Um, really? You were smarter than us. Yeah. Like I, I definitely made, I definitely made like films with my, my friends, but I mean, the other thing too, you know, I didn't have, um, I didn't have people in my life. Like, like you guys did where, you know, you were all just as excited as, as each other to make these things. So like when I was like, Hey friends, let's make a movie. And they're like, what are you talking about? Like why? What are you? Those guys. Yeah. Um, so I would, I would make things, but they would all get pretty bored pretty fast and then move on and want to do something else.

6:17So, yeah. So circumstantial. Yeah. Yeah. Circumstantial. What can you do? You need, you need a crew to make that stuff. So like, you know, I did my best with my action figures, but that only took me so far. Oh yeah. Yeah. I can relate to that too. Did you like stop motion stuff? Yeah. Yeah. I did some stop motion stuff and, um, things like that. I try to, I, I, um, I try, I would try to, uh, recreate stuff from movies with the action figures, like just to see if I could do it. Yeah. Nice. So, but the truth is, you know, you had action figures, Phil had us, but I'm pretty sure your action figures acted better than us. Probably. That is so true. That is so true.

6:59And probably you did. Well, they wouldn't mess up the lines. That's for sure. And they did exactly what you wanted. I'm like, uh, we would argue with you. Say no. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It was very democratic. Totally. In our case. So yeah. Wow. Thank you. That's pretty, that's pretty interesting. That was a good story. That was a good story. That was a good. By the way, I have to say, just as a disclaimer, my favorite Marvel character is Blade. So yeah. Fair enough. Did we talk about the story of Blade? Yeah, I think we did. I feel so proud of, uh, being the investigator. Yeah. Tim not only introduced us, well, you didn't, you didn't introduce us to the Matrix so much, Tim, that our, than our older cousin did. But, but you did introduce us to Blade and we were like, well, it's rated R, I can't watch it. Yeah. Too scared.

7:39Yeah. And I had no idea because where I grew up, there was no ratings. So I was like, what do you mean rated R? No, because you guys asked like, what kind of movie is it? It was like, what's the rating? And I'm like, what does that mean? It's like, it's R, PGM. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like, there's their blood. And I'm like, oh yeah, there's a lot of blood. You got to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. We ended up watching it though and we liked it. Oh yeah, we liked it a lot. So yeah, welcome to minute 47. This is the real minute 47. What happens? Well, what happens is. I love scaring Phil. It's a little bit easier to. I know every time someone asks me to do something, I'm like, oh yeah, of course, of course.

8:20Minute 47. In the morning on the ship, Tank opens the door to Neo's room and tells him that he will be his operator and that because he has no holes on his body that he's a genuine child of Zion, born free. Neo learns about Zion, that it's underground, the last human city. And Tank is excited to see if Morpheus is right about Neo's abilities. Beautiful. Yep. Genuine child of Zion. So, Tank. Tank is here. Tank is here. New challenger. So, Tank appears and he starts talking. I have to say, before we say anything else, because it's a wide shot, we see his whole costume. It's a pretty cool costume. And I have to say that, like, Kim Barrett, who's the costume designer, and I think her

9:04style is pretty specific to stuff like this when she designs stuff that is a little bit out of the ordinary, like, especially for fantasy. And just wanted to mention a little bit about Kim Barrett because she's great. And, um, so she's an Australian costume designer and, uh, she also did movies such as, like, at the beginning, um, Romeo plus Juliet, which is the, uh, Baz Luhrmann version, I think it was. Death Leonardo. Yeah. With Leonardo. You know, it's funny. You say the one with Leonardo and I keep thinking the one with John Leguizamo. And it is. And she also did Gothica and Green Hornet, Speed Racer, of course, Cloud Atlas, of course, and, um, and Scott.

9:46Here's a connection for you. And I'm sure you probably know this, but, um, she has a pretty distinct style. And, um, and she also, um, did the costume for The Amazing Spider-Man. Oh. So, um, so it's. I don't, I didn't know that. I'm sure I'll learn about it, you know, two or three years from now. Oh, yeah. When you guys are tackling that. Oh, may God be with you. Uh, yeah. Yeah. So that's right. And, um, I really think, uh, that her style is, uh, very noticeable when you look into this movie called, uh, Aragon, which.

10:26Mm. Jake. Sorry. Jake was laughing in the background. I was just. Sorry. I just wanted to say that. Is that the dragon movie? The dragon movie. The dragon movie. But I just felt like, uh, the biggest thing that sort of struck me by that film is that, um, uh, the costumes were, uh, very unique, uh, compared to other kind of Lord of the Rings clones that happened, you know, around that decade. And, um, like, like Narnia, for example, we talk about that one, but, uh, yeah, she has a unique flavor and I think that she's pretty great and I think this movie really does a good job. Yeah. She's really good at, um, the sort of, uh, you can just make these guys into silhouettes,

11:11all these characters in this movie, and you can point at the silhouette and know who is who. And that's a really impressive thing for a costume designer to be able to do, to be able to, you know, if I just saw a silhouette of Tank, I could look at it and go, oh yeah, that's Tank. Yeah. Right. Totally. Honestly, Bill, I thought you were going to say that she designed that chainmail that Bennett wears in Commando. Oh, I wish. Her first job. I wish. That's very Matrix-y. So, um, Tank comes in and he goes, did you sleep? And Nioh's like, no. And he's like, you will tonight. I guarantee it.

11:51And, um, I just want to emphasize that, um, that line there because it's a great delivery because, um, you pretty much know half of who Tank is just because of how he says that and what he says. And so you already know half of, um, his personality, more or less. And, um, he also goes like, I'm Tank, I'll be your operator. And is that, is that, is that kind of like a little joke or something like that? Like a little inside joke is like, I'll be your operator tonight. You know, it's like, I'll be your server tonight. Yeah. Something like that. I mean, he is the operator though on the phones. So he could just mean, but before we get to the operator thing, I would like to say,

12:32you know what he's saying? That you will sleep that night. That's a general good advice for life as well. If you are having trouble sleeping, uh, start running or exercising in the evening. You will sleep like a baby. Oh man. Especially if you have like a job that's like a desk or anything that just works so much better than Thomas Anderson definitely does. Yep. Yep. Or did. Now he learns how to, how to, how to sleep and not hack those, uh, news clips of, uh, Morpheus. Yeah. But it is kind of cool that, um, um, tank is introduced. Like his first shot is a wide shot. That's nice. That is true. And his little steam punky pants. His little steam punky pants.

13:12But Neo's boots keep stealing the show all the time. It's true. They're so rad. I just love how much they look like anime characters. I just think that's so cool. Yeah, man. Like you can, I don't know. I don't know how they, I don't know how they're doing that. I don't know what exactly it is that they're doing that makes them feel so much like anime characters. I think again, it's just a thing where like, you know, subconscious thing. Yeah. If they're so influenced by something or into something, I think that's just going to seep into how they create stuff. And I think they wouldn't even know how to explain it. Yeah. How you direct it. It's just, it's just the way it goes. Yeah. It's like, I need it to look like this. And it's like, you can give reasons for it superficially, but then in the end, it's always like. It's all about the feel. Yeah.

13:52In the end, you can look at it and people will watch it and they'll be like, oh yeah, that looks like an anime. It's like, oh yeah, you're right. And you know, the filmmaker himself would be like, or herself would be like, you're right. I didn't even think of that. Like it's just came out of your subconscious. Yeah. And we're recording this in 2017 where a remake of an anime that's, that was an anime that inspired this movie, you know, Ghost and Shell was made. And I haven't seen the movie, but I did see some shots and I did see some comparison, which is obviously a adaptation of an anime. And they did try to sort of capture the look. And I didn't see the whole movie. I just saw the shots and I, you know, they didn't manage to catch it. They did make it look magical and stuff.

14:34But I think, and people were saying like, well, which, which one, you know, captured. I think what you're saying is right. Matrix did capture it because it is the nuances that you don't really necessarily see at the first glance. But if you analyze the frames and look at it, they are the visceral, the real world adaptation of those anime frames because they have that grit of, of, of real life. And, but you're right. These shots are like plucked out of an animation, like the big movie animes. It's awesome. You know what it is, you know what I think it might be, um, is that the backgrounds in the Matrix, like everything that is in the background, the sort of mise-en-scene or whatever

15:15is very deep, very overly detailed where there's just, there's detail there that isn't even really necessary, but it's there. And so the background is just filled with all of this detail. Cause I mean, they use Jeff Darrow as their, their artist, um, to design a lot of this stuff. And, and, and Jeff Darrow is a really detailed guy with his backgrounds and things, but then the characters are actually kind of simple. Yes. In the frame. In comparison. And so it gives them sort of an animated quality. Yeah. Where the background is very detailed, but the characters that are moving around in the frame are more simplistic. Yeah. Like Neo has just something to do with that subconscious thing.

15:57That's right. Yeah. Like perfect sense. Because like, if you compare like Eastern to Western animation, the emphasis in Eastern is on the movements of the body and then the details in the background, while on the Western ones, mostly on the emotions and on the face. While here in the Matrix, no one shows a lot of emotions. Everyone delivers their lines very dry as far as they face, which is very close to anime, you know, because no one's showing emotion unless it goes crazy, you know, when they go like, ah, you know, and the face like completely changes. But anytime there's a serious dialogue, they just like open their mouth and they're just looking very serious. And that kind of, it was very similar to what the Matrix is. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yep.

16:37There's actually, I mean, there's really only one character in this that I think breaks that mold, but I think that's on purpose because of what that character does in the movie. Oracle? No, no. Cypher. Oh. Cypher. I think Cypher is really animated and way more of like an American kind of character. Yeah. And, you know, he's doing things that are weird, like when he's, you know, like straddling Trinity later and like stuff like, like where it's just, it's, it's just a weird thing. It's a thing you would never see in an anime, but he doesn't belong here. So it makes sense that he would be breaking that.

17:19Yeah. But even if I think about it, there is usually sometime like a crazy, he's not the bad guy, but he is the helper of the bad guy. Like the, you know, like the sidekick of the enemy. They're usually very sort of crazy and stuff like that. And I mean, I'm thinking of like, even just like shows like all, you know, in, in, in Dragon Ball. Sorry, this is bad comparison. But every time. There's some crazy Dragon Ball influences later on. Yeah. I'll tell you about those. But you know, like, like Krillin and all these characters, they're very sort of weird. Like they're bad, but they're not like, they're a bit human and they're crazy and they're wacky and they like show all these crazy faces. So yeah, that could be like tied into Cypher.

18:01That's pretty cool. Yeah, for sure. So Neo asks, like when they shake hands, he's like, you got no holes? He's asking a question again. There you go, Jacob. That is. And he's like, you know, holes? Nope. Homegrown. Yeah. Jamechalazion. Yep. Do any of you guys think it's interesting that they chose homegrown Zion humans to be operators? Well, yeah, because they don't have to get in. Yeah. Or they can't. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I guess that's true. Fair enough. It's like. Yeah. It is kind of sad in a way. You can't really ever enter the Matrix. Right. I mean, it's not sad. I'm just saying it's just like. Morpheus talks about it. Maybe they just think it's like pure evil. They never, they never, they never even experienced those constructs.

18:42They don't, they don't know what the hell it's about. Except Morpheus goes, it's bad. Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad. Right. But I also think there's this element also of like sort of, you know, being proud of being, you can tell when Tank's talking, he's proud of being. Yes, definitely. Not just escaped. He actually racist was born. I guess. All right. Well, if you want to put it that way. Well, if they, so, so here's a thought. If they, if they freed all the people from the Matrix, would there, would there be people on either side who would be racist toward the other side? Totally. Like you're not real human. Like the tribalism. Yeah. You know, there probably would be prejudices or something like, they're not like genuine.

19:23They're like, they're just freed. You have the toilets for the ones with the holes and without the holes. Oh man. So there. I don't want to look at your disgusting body and my precious Zion. But the funny thing is that I'm trying to remember. There probably would be something like that. With him mentioning Zion, trying to remember what I thought the Zion was before I ever saw the sequels. Cause now I just see those dancing people. Yeah. I was going to ask you guys that. Yeah. But I'm trying to remember because it was a lot more. The cave rave. Yeah. I just like, like mold people, mold people, like underground, like low light, just like everyone looking scruff like, Oh, we're the last humans. I never thought of it like being magical or like high tech. Yeah. Like the future in Terminator one where Kyle Reese is walking around and you just see those

20:05kids and it looks like they're watching TV, but then the shot goes to the, you know, to the reverse and you can see that they're just forming themselves. For some reason I, for some reason I always pictured like a real city. That had somehow sort of like crumbled underground. And so they're like living in the ruins. Yeah. I think I also thought something like that as well earlier. Yeah. Something like Beneath the Planet of the Apes, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Something like that I think is what I pictured. Yeah. Yeah. I never really knew exactly until obviously. Cause these are things that they sort of just put into the movie as like, they still make it very cryptic. It's not, it's not like a specific thing.

20:47I like this cause again, we have another layer coming into the story where we think we're on the ship and we think maybe there's other ships, there's people sort of scattered around with us. We think maybe, but I think when we're explained that there's also like a city, I think that's cool. Cause then you start again, you're like realizing there's more to this world than just what we found out so far. Indeed. What's this, what's the actor playing Tank? What's his name? Marcus Chong. And his, oh man, his, his performance on these lines, he's just giving it 110%. He is. They're very musical. Like, like the way that he says, like, you know, um, I was born right here.

21:30Homegrown human. Like just like the way he says it is just so musical. It'll get like stuck in my head. Homegrown human. Totally. Yeah. He's like a funky preacher, you know, and like a, uh, Baptist church. Right. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. It's awesome. He takes it from Morpheus, obviously. Oh yeah. Morpheus should learn a thing from him. Maybe people, he'll be able to reach more people. Liven up his sermons. Yeah. Unplugging more people, get a little bit of groove in his. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So true. His, his lines, just great job. I think. Marcus Chong. I just wanted to mention something because like I said, there were more than a few connections to Commando. Okay. And, uh, you know, Marcus Chong, he's from Seattle.

22:12So that's pretty cool. Um, he was adopted in 1978 by Tommy Chong, who's known for Cheech and Chong. Whoa. The comedy duo. Really? Yeah. No way. Okay. So his adopted father is the other one, right? Uh, Tommy. Tommy Chong. And yeah, and he started doing acting as a kid and he was featured in stuff like Little House in the Prairie. No way. Just in one episode though. But yeah. And, uh, a movie about the Black Panther, Panther Party in 1995 and some, in some other kinds of films. But then of course he played Tank eventually. And this is why we're here, which is why we're here.

22:54And I wanted to say that he's half brother to Ray Don Chong, who was the co-lead in Commando. No way. No way. Whoa. Whoa. That's awesome. You know, the flight attendant. Yeah. What was her name? Half, half brother. Oh, really? Or, or adopted brother. Half brother. No, wait. No, no. Why do they have the same last name? Did, did Tommy Chong adopt both of them? I think, I think Ray Don Chong is, is his, is his actual daughter. He has six children, including Ray Don and Robbie are mentioned here as children. And then Marcus in brackets adopted as far as Wikipedia says. Oh.

23:34But there's, there's other children as well. So not half brother. Yeah. Adopted brother. Yes. Okay. But they, they could be, if you look at them, they could be, you know, brother and sister. Yeah. I can see. I, I, I, I thought I saw resemblance, but I might be wrong. Either way. That's cool. But yeah, I just wanted to say commando, John matrix, the matrix. Boom. There we go. That's all I wanted to say. Um, and, uh, I think we also know we have to talk about this. We have to talk about this because. Yeah. I was going to, I was hoping you were going to bring this up because it's kind of important. Yeah. You know, the, uh, he's, uh, known for, um, filing a lawsuit at the, uh, Los Angeles County superior court against AOL time Warner because, uh, WB was, uh, in breach of a 1998 verbal

24:19agreement plus a 2000 contract for tank to be included in the sequels. Oh. And, uh. Oh, I totally forgot about this. Yeah. Yeah. That's what you were talking about, right? So, yeah. Yeah. Basically, uh, sort of, uh, breached those agreements. Yeah. Warner Brothers breached those agreements. Went ahead and hired. Uh, yeah. But apparently, look, his salary, like, um, like his salary demands kind of screwed everything up and, um, he wasn't notified about any changes. And I think that that's about all that happened. So he got upset with that. The agreement wasn't upheld. And, um, but apparently, um, his, uh, salary demands were also not reasonable to the film's budget either.

24:59He, he reached for the stars and. Yeah. So he asked for a lot. Well, he, I, I guarantee you it's not him. Oh, no, no. Yeah, that's right. I was going to talk about that. His agent, he probably had a bad agent who was like, the matrix was a hit. If you want him back, you're going to have to get a lot of money. And he probably had no idea that his agent did that. Yeah. He probably would just be excited to get back on the movie. Cause. Right. I mean, cause if you look at his career, it's not like he did a lot. Right. Yeah. So that's probably why he felt that felt like he had to sue them because he was just like, I don't, I don't have anything else, you know? But there was also some evidence that, um, he, like, um, he was, um, uh, making threats

25:41over the phone after they couldn't properly negotiate a contract with him. So he was actually, maybe personally trying to get someone on the studio to be like, Hey, come on. He's making like some pretty, uh, angry threats there. And I think that kind of, um, distanced them some more. Right. Uh, which is my research anyway. I don't know. Like, um, either way it's a shame though. Cause I kind of missed. Yeah. So how did they replace him in the sequel? Uh, with, um, uh, Link. Oh, Link, man. Yeah. Right. And it was like, what, his brother, another brother? Or what was it? His, uh, his, his brother-in-law. Yeah. Yeah. Because, because Z, his sister.

26:22Yes. Yeah. Married, uh. There's that whole scene. It's like, I have to go. Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. So yeah. So he kind of sued them for, for slander. For, for, for, you know, for written slander. But I have to tell you, Marcus, it's not slander. Slander is spoken on Prendit's libel. I had to say that. I'm sorry. It's a good one. Fair enough. Dude, Link. I did not see the sequels. I'm like, I'm like a slowpoke here. I'm just looking at the photos. I'm like, yeah, that's Link. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was mad. Yeah. When the replacement was like, where's Tank? Like, he was my hero. Yep. I miss Tank. I miss him too. But yeah, no, like what you're saying, Scott, it's, it's like, so it could be very, very

27:04true that it's just a crappy agent being a jerk. And I mean, like these things like happen and it's just very sad. I mean, it would have been nice to have had another character that isn't just Morpheus, Trinity and Neo in the, in the new films. Cause there's no one else really aside from the bad guys, like Agent Smith or just bad guy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, agents, when they have sort of like low key actors under them like this, and then they get in a movie like that accidentally blows up like the Matrix did, they can get crazy. And that's true. Think like, oh, this is my shot. And then, yeah, just start asking for way too much money. And that's that agent.

27:45Because you were part of, uh, you know, back to the future minute, uh, there's a, there's a bit of a similarity there with Crispin Glover and back to the future too. Oh yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't about money. That was, was it about money? He wanted more, right? Yeah. Well, he, he wanted, um, as much as what everyone else was getting is all he, he just, he wanted them to make it right because he was like, I was, I was, you know, the arguably the protagonist of back to the future. Yeah. Which I kind of agree with. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you want me to come back? Like, I want to be paid as much as, you know, uh, you know, uh, Christopher Lloyd and,

28:27and Michael J. Fox. Um, and I think to an extent, they didn't want to pay them that much. And, uh, yeah, yeah. And, and that was the thing too, is he was also, from what I understand, he was also sticking up for, for Leah Thompson and, um, Thomas of Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but I, but they were just like, that's not how this works. Uh, Christopher Lloyd and Michael J. Fox are the stars of this movie and your, your role in it is, you know, smaller, um, in these sequels. So we're not going to pay you the same. And yeah, then he, uh, basically played like a weird game with them where he would be like, oh, okay, well I'll, I'll, I'll take the smaller amount. Why don't you, uh, you know, let's, let's go look at all of the production stuff and everything.

29:10And then they'd take him around. They're like, yeah, this is what we're going to do. And this is how we're writing you into the script. And he's like, great. And then he would have his agent call and ask for twice as much as he asked before. Oh, okay. Yeah. He just like started trolling the production at a certain point. So, okay. Now Scott, uh, you can, uh, uh, you know, if I'm wrong, you can, what's that word? Silence him. Silence me. Shout at me. Uh, but, uh, I watched a recent interview with him and, uh, well, you know, he, he sort of portrayed it as a sort of a little bit of a conspiracy kind of theory that the reason why it wasn't even about the money, it was that he kind of disagreed with the message of the first movie, how it kind of ended, you know, with getting the truck and everything.

29:53And he voiced his opinion to the creators. And then when the money came up, they were like, oh, it's not worth it. This guy's going to be just like messing with our story. Is that, is that true? I don't know about that. I don't know about that in particular. I think that's just him trying to portray himself as the good guy, but I do know that he was, he was trouble on set. Um, because like when they, when they recast him with the, with the guy that played him in the makeup. Um, in the sequels, uh, they were, they, they did a test shoot of them and Dean Cundy, um, was, uh, you know, in charge of the test shoot and trying to make him look like, uh, Crispin Glover.

30:33And they basically, you know, Robert Zemeckis like turned to Dean Cundy and was like, so what do you, what do you think? And Dean Cundy's response was, I think we've got Crispin without any of the trouble. Oh, yeah. So. Wow. Well, this has been a great sidetrack. I'm glad about that. If you want more, listen to back to the future minute. Yeah. We'll be proud. I mean, yeah. I mean, it could be that this guy was trouble. It's just, it's hard to accept that when you just look at his just smiling face. Like he just seems like such a charming guy. I wonder like in what way he was trouble though. That's what I wonder. Who's Crispin's? Yeah. If we do believe what he was saying, I guess he was meddling with the vision of the.

31:17Yeah. But how can he do that? He's an actor. Well, he has a companion. You can do that. No, I know. I think. You can't like. Yeah. Marty. Yeah, that's true. That's true. So, yeah. And then, yeah. What does he say? That's about it, right? He just rises up and he's like. He mentions Link and it's like, Link's home. We're. Yeah. Link's home in Zion. I hope I don't die. So then Link will have to. With my sisters. With my sisters. Yeah. It's going to be a great party. If it's your. Oh, boy. We all got to dance. Grind. It's going to. Water's going to fall out of nowhere for some reason. Wasn't that just Dan Sweat? Well, I guess. I don't know. I just. I just remember.

31:58And isn't like. Like. Cut. Between like. Like a sex scene between Dio and Trinity. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was so awkward. I don't know. Yeah. If you. If you guys. If you guys did cover that movie. That would be. That would be a long four weeks. That's what I was thinking. That would be a lot of. A lot of monotone. Like. Oh. Yeah. This. This. Yeah. I just. I feel. I could maybe handle his hair up. He's back. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. I could maybe handle the second one. But definitely not the third one. Oh. That's just fighting. It's just like a bunch of Neos. I don't know. Morpheus's. Not Morpheus. Yeah. What? Smith's. Smith's. So anyway. The only thing I could actually talk about in this is that the lighting is very nice.

32:42I love. I just love it when there's just one key light and there's a little bit of a backlight. It's just nice. And it's. And there's no. There's no fill. You know. It's like a really nice contrasty look. It's wonderful. It's delightful. Delicious. Philip. Yeah. It is nice. Do we. Do we go back to the past with. Do we go to 996? No. Because there's really nothing. There's nothing different. And Scott. I'm sorry. But like usually we go back to 1996. But I was reading the script in. In the meantime. While you guys were talking. And there's honestly not much to talk about. Unless you want. The parties of Zion mentioned. Unless you. You know. Like the only thing.

33:24I could actually say that's of any relevance. Is that Morpheus goes back to his. Oh yes Neo. I do. I do. Because Neo says. I don't believe in fate. And Neo. Morpheus is like. I do. I do. After he talks about his whole. Prophecy. Hmm. Hmm. Inquisitive. Inquisitive. Fate. Yeah. Jeez. There's no fate. But what we make for ourselves. Isn't that the ending of Back to the Future as well? Three. Pretty much. Yeah. Basically. Future is what you make it. Yeah. I thought it was. You should make it a good one. Flying trains.

34:05You'll make it a good one. That's what that. It is. Yeah. All right. I mean it is. Yeah. Well with that said. I don't think we have anything else to say. Thank you so much Scott. For being here. For these three episodes this whole week. It's been awesome. And. Scott. Take it away. Thanks you so much for having me guys. It's been. It's been a lot of fun. I love listening to this show. Thank you so much for listening. I love listening to yours. Thank you. All of them. So yeah. You can find all my stuff at DuelingGenre.com. And also. I'm on social media. At Scott Corelli. On all of the social medias.

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