Minute 44: “He’s gonna pop.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00The Matrix Minute. This time I decided to say The Matrix Minute instead of Welcome to The Matrix Minute because I like variety. A podcast where we discuss the first film one minute at a time because we love this movie. And with me is Jake because I have nothing to say. Go. Introduce the rest of our people. Oh yeah, Jake, there you are. Hi Jake, how are you? Hi everyone. Tim, there you are. And our special friend and guest Gary Roby. Thank you once again for this Friday time for you to be here. Podcast Bonanza. Thank you so much for having me. Hooray! He's still here. This has been a fun week, you guys. I'm having a good time. Yeah. We are having an awesome time. Yeah, especially since we front-loaded our podcast so well.

0:42It's so good with our first episode. I know, I honestly, all the notes that I wrote, all the notes that I wrote were just exhausted. It was huge. It was huge. It was a big, you know, lots of time to cover. So listen to that maybe three more times and that'll be fine. Yep. But yeah, Jake, you're here. I'm here. Tim's here. We're all here. We're all back together. We're all here. Yeah, this is minute 44. We're going to see what happens and what happens isn't very nice for Neo. No. No. He has a stomach ache. Neo can't believe it. He refuses to believe it. Morpheus tells him it wasn't easy, just the truth. Neo wants out of the construct and panics. He is quickly brought out and is cornered, his mind spinning, everyone watching him in his own mental attack.

1:24Morpheus tells him to just breathe. Neo can't take it. Cypher tells us that he's going to pop and Neo pukes on the floor. Neo wakes up again in his room and Morpheus apologizes to him. Neo asks if he can go back or not, but Morpheus returns the question, if you could, would you want to? Dun, dun, dun. I always do the dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I should stop that. That's a bad habit. You should use those sparingly. Yeah, I know. Is Morpheus sitting on Neo's bed? That's the important question of this episode. Is Morpheus sitting on his bed? I'll ask when we get there. Yeah, you should save that one. Or is he sitting on Neo's toilet next to his bed? The first thing that strikes me in this minute is that Keanu Reeves' acting is still pretty good.

2:10He's doing, like, I have to say, I've been saying this for quite some time now, and I have to say, like, from all the performances Keanu was in pre-Matrix that I've seen, this is his best by far. And I think, Jake, you can account to that, because I think you watched the movie just the other day. I did. I watched Point Break the other day. For the first time. Oh. You know, it's a weird movie. How is that? It's a weird movie. Yeah. I felt it could be, it could have been funnier, but it's sort of like doing that kind of middle-of-the-road type thing. Middle-of-the-road thing. So it wasn't, like, too amazing. But Keanu Reeves' acting, I have to say, you know, when you compare that to The Matrix, you know, The Matrix, he does such a great job.

2:50And then Point Break, I don't know what was going on, but, you know, it's just... It's like he's reading his lines. Yeah, yeah. That's about all he's doing. He sort of just reads his lines. And Gary Busey, I mean, we all know, we're talking about Point Break, but I'm just saying, like, Gary Busey, you know, like, he overacts, but you can feel that he's the character, you know? Yeah, yeah. And Keanu is just, Keanu coming on set, like, seriously, it feels like he's on the set of a film going, yeah, but why do you... Yeah, yeah. And so it's just, it's always been confusing to me how, like, how does that work? And how does this work so well? How does, how does, maybe, maybe it's just... Well, my theory is that the reason why he did such a good job in The Matrix is because I think that Neo, Neo, my goodness.

3:31Thomas. Thomas. No, Keanu. Keanu, I think, took the role really seriously. I think he also liked the story and he liked the ideas and I think that he really just sort of focused in and tried to make, do justice to the character, I think. Conceptually, it's really interesting and I think it's easy to become invested in that. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I think it was. Especially after reading those other books that they asked him to do. So, yeah, it's just, this is the Neo Panic attack scene. Um, if you have any thoughts about it. Before we get out of the construct, uh, I just want to say, I really, really love this, like, white room. Absolutely. Or whatever. Just this, like, expansive whiteness of the construct without anything loaded into it.

4:12Yeah. Yeah, I think it's awesome, too. Um, we were talking about that before and it's like, we, we just love how just aesthetically pleasing it is and how, like, it just... Comforting. And it's, and it's perfect to contrast that with the ugliness of the Nebuchadnezzar ship in the real world. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um... Well, it's this interesting sort of, because he's loaded into this, like, kind of subspace thing that it hasn't been filled with it. Like, the Matrix, you wouldn't see, like, empty expanses of whiteness. It's all populated and there's buildings and whatever. And so, it definitely feels like he's in, like, an other thing. Yeah, he is. Yeah. It's like a mini-program, basically.

4:52Yeah, yeah. It's, um... I don't know, it's really fascinating. I think it really, like... It's very punchy in the way it's... Yes. It's... Totally. You've never seen anything else like this. Totally agree, yeah. So, this clearly is a fake thing. Yes, yes, exactly. And we also talked about, in a couple episodes earlier, we talked about how the sound is so... It's almost like a little isolation booth, you know? Mm-hmm. The sound is... There's no reverb, so you can, again, feel that. It's not the Matrix, it's not the real world, so, yeah. And we get perfect ambience here. So, if you wanted to record a podcast, Neo... The Construct. Oh, man. Look at that. That's a podcast. Listen to that. I mean, why not? That's not a bad idea.

5:33It's worth inventing. It's worth inventing AI so they can make the Matrix and then we get to go to the Construct. Construct. Yeah, I think that's a worthy... Record in the Construct. Yeah. I think that's logical reasoning and rational. Yeah. And then we can get everybody together and we don't have to, you know, do this long distance stuff. Awesome. Exactly. So, do you think the audio is perfect in it? That, like, it doesn't matter what distance you are from, you can hear, like, perfectly acoustically? Yes. I'm going to say yes. I want to believe. How much noise would that be if there's, like, 100 people there? You can hear everyone's, like, scratch. No, no, no. Well, here's what I believe. I believe in the Const... No, shut up. In the Construct, what I believe what happens is that it will automatically, you know, equalize the volume.

6:14So, if there's an explosion, it won't be too loud. Just in case an explosion in the Construct. Well, someone decides to put an explosion. Just in case. There's, like, a little limiter on everything. Just, like, a little compressed sound. But, yeah, Gary, you're completely right. I love how this thing looks like and I also love how Morpheus just stares there and goes, I didn't say it would be easy, Neo. Just said it would be the truth. Now, if you look at his reflection, you can see Neo is not as shocked as he is in the reverse shot with Neo. Well, different takes. Yeah, it's different takes. But it's just, you know, what else are you going to talk about in this minute? Well, no, come on. There's, like... Yeah.

6:54So, yeah. Neo is not believing. Let's talk about that a bit. He does overreact a tiny bit. Maybe it's because we're watching this in isolation and throughout the last couple of minutes, Neo is just blankly staring. Oh, yeah? Tell me more, Morpheus. And then all of a sudden, he's, like, doing this little dance and he's pointing at people and he's like, No! No! Let me go! So, I think it's showing the shock, I think. I think, wouldn't it? I mean, like, I guess maybe because we have the references from everything, wouldn't the shock be a bit more, like, gradual? Like, he's, uh, maybe just figured it out now. Do we... I've still, like,

7:35I think I asked the question last time. It's like, what is Neo freaking out about the most? What is it that scares him? Is it the control? Is it that the machines are evil? Or he's just, like, um... I'm not a battery! Not a battery? Yeah, that sounds like a viable option as well. No, I don't know. Is he so simple-minded that Morpheus had to show him the battery? That's the only time he's like, No! Well, no, guys. Morpheus loves that stuff. I think it's sort of, like, similar to, you know, like, culture shock when you go somewhere that you're not used to. I think it's something like that but times, like, 100 where it's like, you know, your entire reality is... You know, it's just like, at some point sort of in life when you have, like, an existential crisis or something like that where you sort of, like, your beliefs get questioned

8:16or whatever. It's something like that but Neo's hit completely immediately with all this information. I think that basically his brain is on overdrive. He doesn't know what to do with that. Yeah, it's just, like, complete, like, anxiety attack. Yeah, well said. It's really overwhelming because it's not just, like, visiting someplace you've never been before. It's... It was a one-way trip. Mm-hmm. That too. And he asks, like, I can't go back. Yeah, and I think that's... Can't go back. He's sort of realizing, like, this is... This is my reality now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's even, you know, more than just beliefs because, I mean, he's living now in this, you know,

8:56new reality that he has to either... I mean, he really has to accept it. There's no other option, right? But obviously... Yeah. He doesn't know how to accept it, I think, at this point. And he just doesn't... It's not computing, basically. Do you think there are people that they free that it goes, like, really badly for? Like, people that just can't accept the reality of it? Well, Phil has a theory that he's been saving about this whole thing. What? What do you mean? Okay. I was going to talk about this a long time ago. Okay, talk about it. But you just got shushed. Yeah, I got shushed by Phil. I got shushed. I got shushed. He's like, no, no, no, we'll save it for later. And now we're here. We're here at the moment where Cypher says he's going to pop. He's going to pop. And, Philip, didn't you tell me this?

9:36That in, like, in the early draft or something... Okay, yes. I will give you a little bit of a hint because I'm going to tell you... I'm going to tell you that... Are you shushing him right now? When Neo talks to Cypher is when I reveal it all. I reveal it all. Fine. But before that, I'm just going to give you a hint. I'm sorry. I have to wait. I'm just going to give you a hint that Cypher's seen this before. And this is part of the reason why he's actually saying that in such a nonchalant way. Okay. It's because he's seen something like this happen. And if you haven't listened to our previous episodes where Neo's getting hooked on into the chair in The Matrix before he touches the mirror, Cypher in the 1996 version

10:19puts Morpheus aside and goes like, you know, he's too old. He's going to pop. And Morpheus is like, what did I tell you? You're not supposed to live life in fear. Don't mess with my business, boy. He says like a proverb to him. And so this is like the... If this was the 1996 version... about fear controlling your life? He says, what have I told you Yeah, yeah. And this is sort of the culmination... This is like the conclusion of this little thing where Cypher says, he's going to pop once again because he thinks that Neo might probably go insane or have some kind of a very serious... Very serious thing that's going on. Yeah, like a...

10:59I don't know if... Yeah. If any other kind of bodily harm could happen to him. But yeah, I was thinking like maybe he could like experience something, you know, really detrimental where maybe he even just like dies. And that's what Cypher's saying because stuff like this has happened to them before and some people did die from that. And that's why Cypher's like, he's going to pop, you know, he's just going to do it. That's rough. Yeah. Which makes you wonder why didn't Morpheus find Neo sooner when he wasn't such a... Yeah, what was the impetus? Like what... I guess you... I'm sure you guys have asked this before but like, what... what is it that Neo displayed that made Morpheus so certain? You're asking the right questions.

11:40But yeah, what is it that Morpheus said? We've been talking about that all the time and we have no idea. We still don't know. Yeah. We still don't know, yeah. Was it him searching for the Matrix? Was it him talking to Choi? Was it his defines to his company? Was it him being a good hacker? Was it him... Yeah, we really don't know. They looked at images of people and like, he looks cute. What if Morpheus had a feeling? Troy's like, ah, he's adorable. Let's get him out. And Morpheus's like, don't you see him? He's adorable. Do you think... Each of you guys, I guess. Do you think that you could handle waking up? Like, tomorrow, all of a sudden, you're in like, a different reality and everything that you've experienced up to this point is an illusion and like, how would you handle that?

12:22Gradually. Yeah, I'd probably, I don't, I can't tell unless I've actually done it. So like, anything I say is probably, we'll have to try it then sometime. Let's try it sometime. But I think, Philip, you're not real. I think I'd be able to, I just have a feeling that I'd be able to eventually adapt to it. Well, you know what's funny? I think that, that's a good point you brought that up because I feel like, you know, I think that, I think I would go as far as to say that we as people are kind of adaptable in a sense. I think that we would, I think most of us would probably get used to it. I think you'd eventually accept it and you'd go, okay, well, this is my life now. Because usually what happens in the end is, you know, your, like reality

13:02ends up being your reality. And that's just a fact, I think, in life. Yeah. So I think that's probably what would happen. I think the more people that accept that sort of thing, that the easier it is for them to adapt to other circumstances. Yeah. Sure. I probably, the initial reaction would be like, you know, you're lying. Well, that's, yeah, that's right. You have an alternative motive. Morpheus the liar. Like, you're, you're tricking me into this. I don't know, what would your reaction be, Gary, to this scenario? I, I think, I think much in the same way that like Neo panics here, like I think immediately I would have this moment of like, kind of overwhelming anxiety. I think it would take me a while

13:42to, to settle into it. Right. Yeah. I like the idea of thinking like, oh, you're lying. Like, what's really going on here? Like, this is all a trick. Yeah. You could go a different direction with this and it's a horror movie and they're all just, it's like 10 Cloverfield Lane. Oh man. You're right. I hadn't said that, but Tim probably has. Yes. Yes. Okay. You know, I would probably, that movie's great up until the end. Yeah. Yeah. The end is totally ridiculous, but. Because yeah, it's one of those cases. There's that idea of, I'm telling you what the, what's really going on. Like, you have to trust me and listen to me. You can't see the,

14:22they can't show him the evidence himself. They're not going to go fly him over the fields to prove what Morpheus said. Look, Neil. He just has to take it as faith. Yeah. He just saw some fancy graphics, but that's, that's, that's pretty much it. You know, he has. It would help though. I know this is exactly the Cloverfield, 10 Cloverfield Lane premise, but it would help to talk to everyone, like on the crew personally, like see what their experiences are. That's a great movie. Yeah. What was you waking up? What was it like waking up for you? Exactly. That's what I would do. What was your life before, before being here? Exactly. Like you find out sort of like what everyone's history was. And then maybe, you know, later if you go to Zion, you'll be like, Oh, okay. I think that would, then you start to go, okay. Yeah.

15:03But this is sort of like log cabin situation. He's just sort of thrown into it. Exactly. And he's not even through like, cause there's a couple of elements to this. One is the element is the element of surprise. Sort of aspect of, no, no. I mean like the, one of the thing is that, okay, there's the matrix and it's like a virtual reality. That's perfect. That's one part of it. The other part of it is the machine's evil. And kind of in this sense, Morpheus, like maybe he's like, you know, he doesn't have a lot of time. He, you know, he kneels old. He needs to, him to train and he kind of like lands all this information on him at once. And that probably makes him pop. If he would have gone, okay, here's a virtual reality, you know, this is how it works. And then he gets adjusted to that. And he's like,

15:43but what, where did this virtual reality come from? And then you go with the machines are evil, then batteries and everything. I think he would have taken it a little bit. Yeah. Rather than doing like the big exposition dump. Yeah. Like let him discover it as, as, as the movie progresses. This would be much, much better for Neo, but it would be probably a little more boring for us. Yeah. Yeah. Because then it will be that classic Hollywood movie when it's like, you didn't tell me about the machines. Yeah. Are you working with Morpheus? You know, conflict between Morpheus and Neo. Oh yeah. But not just that. From a certain point of view. Yeah. The machines are evil. Yeah. But it would also be kind of like, I think us as an audience,

16:23we kind of would like to know now what's going on, because if we had a fight scene or something like that, it wouldn't be as satisfying because we wouldn't focus on that. We just wait until we want to know what the machine stuff is all about. So that's cool. We are pretty far into the movie to be getting all of this, like what's all been building to, or what's really going on. That's true. Yeah, exactly. Totally. I think, I think it's a credit to the, you know, the Wachowskis to be able to have us here for 44 minutes until this whole thing is told. Yeah. You know? And I think, yeah, kudos to the way they teased the audience to understand that, and also getting them interested in like the craziness that has been going on so far with that explanation.

17:06Yeah. So that's pretty cool. So anyway, Neo just gets out of the matrix, right? Sorry, not the matrix, the construct. And he's still there. Get this thing off me. Get this thing off me. And he's like, he's like, you know, I don't believe it. I don't believe it. And there's a magical Kung Fu zoom. If you'll watch it. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That lens is a, is a special kind of distortion. He lens. No, no, no. I mean, I mean the, the one where, okay. So if you watch him getting, he's like doing a little dance in the construct. And then he's, he gets unplugged and there's like a magical, like quick zoom. It's like zoom out. Let me see that. You're right. I never noticed this until now. It's a magical.

17:46Me either. Until you told me. It's awesome. It's like whoop. Yeah. And then he goes into another dance. He's like, then he goes into another dance. The Neo dance. I don't believe you. And we have this wonderful distortion. He's like a lens that is kind of like a fish eye, but it's not, I don't know what they call it. I, I'm not. They call it distortion. He's like, I'm about to pop lens. I used one of those lenses once at a camera store. They're pretty cool. Cool. Um, yeah, that's about it. And then he pukes and, uh, that's a better alternative than, um, dying, I guess. Oh, definitely. Yeah. At least it didn't pop. Slightly dying. Yeah. And, um, I think that, uh, that's, that's some of that, um,

18:27residue from the, uh, machine. Oh, do you think? Or is it too long? So that's like other humans. Or is it just the tasty wheat? He's been, I think he's been eating. Yeah, it feels like he's been, he's been there for quite a few weeks, right? Yeah, the hair. Yeah. Yeah. So he's been eating. I'm watching this back and forth. Pretty gross. But for some reason, I, I noticed that, uh, no, I didn't notice. I discovered that, uh, the real life behind the scenes, um, substance that they used was just pretty much chicken cream soup. That's about it. Oh. It's not as gross. It's not as gross. It is. As it looks. Yeah. It could have been like worse. Yeah. I would like to bring it back to the,

19:08to the most important question that, uh, we had here. And it comes from Gary. Is, uh, Morpheus sitting in, uh, Neo's bed? Yeah. That is. In this last shot. It looks like Neo's laying on this cot and he's like sitting on top of it next to him, like behind him, but he's like on the scene. It looks like it doesn't matter. Is he, is he back in his room? Because back in his room, the bed is on the left side of it and doors on the right side. Where are they? Okay. Is this some kind of, a different room? Is this Morpheus's bed? They're in Morpheus's room. Morpheus, they come into my office. Yeah. I would be freaked out as well. It's like, what happened? We were in a white construct. Now we're in your room,

19:49Morpheus. I would trust him even less. lie down. You'll be okay. Sorry. I mentioned this in a couple episodes ago, but listen, Tim, this is the psychiatrist scenario. Okay. Sitting in the chair and Neo is lying down. Exactly. Yep. Here it is. This is the moment. And he's about childhood. Psychoanalyzing him. Yeah. Yes. He's waiting for him in the darkness. But I like that though. Like the visuals of Morpheus, how he's always, you know, like we, we get to always see Morpheus in sort of like a stoic, you know, very, he has like stature all the time whenever we see Morpheus. And I think that's a cool visual motif. Yeah. I like the shot at the very end of the minute with,

20:29with it's the, the closeup on him with his hands clasped, just like leaning against the, he, he's pensive and he's patient and he's willing to let Neo have this moment. Mm-hmm. Exactly. I think that's it. I mean, like he's pretty much just, um, he's done with his exposition. No, he's like, he's, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I guess he's also realizing maybe that it might be a little bit harder to get Neo to accept all this. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about. Did you guys talk about, sorry, I was gone for a while, for a little bit. Philip has disappeared. My absence just, I just disappeared. And I came back. You missed so much, Philip.

21:09Did you guys mention why he was just waiting there in the first place? Yeah, Morpheus invited Neo into his office. Oh, yes. That's the only explanation, because look at the setup of the room. The room is different. No, no, no, we're looking through the wall. Looking through the wall. Like if this was Neo's cabin, we were actually looking through where the wall might be. I don't know. Is this Neo's cabin? Where's the light coming from? From his little light? Because that's where the computer was. Well, do you see the screen over there on the right? That's where the computer is. Oh my goodness. I thought it was a window. I thought it was a window. So Neo's facing a wall. Yeah, he's facing the wall. And we're like looking out of it?

21:50Yeah, I think. Oh. I think that comes back to the, you know, because I was confused by the geography of it. Yeah. Yeah. That is confusing. And it was kind of a little bed. The layout of the shot is weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of how I see it, but I don't know, like for sure, because it's kind of dimly lit as well. So Morpheus came and was like, can I bring this chair? Is this okay? Yeah. I'm going to sit here. I just watch over him. Instead of sitting on a cold floor. Yeah. The metal floor. Morpheus is holding a necklace of some kind. Catholic. Yes. Okay. No, I don't know. Or his grandmother gave it to him. He's holding it. Where do you see this necklace?

22:30Look, he's holding it. The last shot when he says, but if you could, would you want to? Oh yes, he does. He's holding it around his neck. Oh yeah. I think that's his little emblem. His little stone. Oh. His jewel stone thing he carries around. What if he is in a real world? I didn't even notice. Yeah, I mean, he does. Bunch of weird objects, like the pouch. Yeah, he does. Like that little pouch that, where his knife is. No, his notes, right? That's what you guys are talking about. A couple episodes back. Yeah, and then he has this little, how will we find out what these things are? I don't know. We must get the props guy on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. We'll ask him. Well, I think Phil Osterhaus will have all the answers. We should get him.

23:10Yeah, I know. Perfect. I think that covers. I think that's about it, man. For this minute. I can't think of anything else. Unless you, Gary, might know, and you might have any other things to think about. In this. No, I think, I think, I think that's everything. Sweet. I feel pretty satisfied. Me too. I think we did great. Thanks so much, Gary, for hanging out with us. Yeah. I had a blast. It was awesome. It was awesome, man. Well, thank you so much for having me. As soon as you guys announced that the show was coming, I was so delighted. Oh, yeah. It's awesome. Because, yeah, this was definitely one of the biggest movies for me growing up. Just another one of those franchises that I like kept returning back to

23:53because there's something so, because it's satisfying on so many different levels, right? Yeah. Like, It's not just a sci-fi movie, it's not just an action movie. but like, there's so much else going on. Yeah. Totally. I really enjoy it. I really, Yeah, absolutely. Such a rich movie. I think, I don't think I would, even though maybe there's movies that, you know, I would enjoy more watching, but I don't think there's a movie that could go through minute by minute, except, you know, the matrix. Yeah. Yeah. There's something, there's always something, even if it's, you know, Neo puking. There's so much. Even if it's Neo puking. Yeah. Exactly. Awesome. Well, yeah, so I guess, thank you for listening.

24:35And if you, if you missed anything again, or got something wrong, let us know. You can post a comment on our announcement post on Facebook for this episode. This is episode 44. And if you're not, you don't want to email us at ask at matrix.one. Yeah. That's ask. Is that the one? Correct. No, wait, what is our, what is our, ask at the matrix minute. One. We like, this is like, this is the matrix minute. We always talk about. Well done. Well done. And, uh, what else is there? Yes. You can find Gary. You can find Gary on iTunes, right? Gary. Uh, that is, we are on iTunes, iTunes, and Twitter, Harry Potter minute. And yeah, iTunes,

25:15Twitter, Facebook, all those things, all the social media networks. We've got, um, sites up for Harry Potter minute and for Ferris Bueller minute, Ferris Bueller's minute off. Even I forget that I use the full title for that. Um, both of those are out there. Uh, we'll be coming up in the next couple of months with a chamber of secrets. So I'm really stoked for that. And all right. Victoria and I have a couple of other, there's some other, we have some other podcasts that are in the works. So that would be fun. Be on the lookout for those shows and go listen to Gary's shows. And, uh, Tim has something to say and I was interrupting him. What'd you say? It's okay. I was interrupting you, Jacob. I apologize. I'm looking forward to the, uh, prisoner of basketball minute because me too. I can't wait.

25:56I can't wait. That is a good first. They have to get through, um, the snakes. Yeah. The snakes parcel, parcel, parcels and tongues, parcels and tongues. Oh man. I like that. Chamber of secrets. I think is my least favorite of the movies and it's the longest one. Oh yeah. It is the longest. But there's still good stuff. Like there's, it is, it is. It's the longest one. It's like two hours and 45 minutes or something. That's insane. Yeah. It's nuts. But at least you have, you know, I'm not ready to look forward to after that. Yeah. Oh God. It's going to be a lot more. That's like the, uh, the payoff will be. Yeah. Prisoner of Azkaban. Oh, I'm so excited. Just do Prisoner of Azkaban after every,

26:36you know, yeah, just do it. Just crisscross. Yeah. Crisscross. Go back. Reanalyze it again. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet. Like we're, we're talking about Prisoner of Azkaban for the third time now. We love this movie. It's the best. Yeah. Or just like sneakily put in minutes, you know, every fourth minute will be, see if they notice. Don't mention it. Just, just, just keep describing a different. Just drop them every once in a while. Awesome. Well, thanks again, Gary. And, uh, thanks for listening. Have a good weekend. We'll catch you next week. Yeah. With another guest. Thanks guys. I think. Bye. Bye. Thanks. Bye. Bye.

27:17Thank you.