Minute 23: “Take off your shirt.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00Welcome to How to Make the Matrix Worse by Phil, Jake, and Tim. How are you, Jacob? I'm very hot. Yeah, we're all pretty attractive. Who else is here? No, quite hot. Physically hot. Hey, Tim's here too. Hello, welcome to another episode for another week. Today's a wonderful time to be hanging out with you guys. To be alive. And to talk about this wonderful film. I love The Matrix. It's a wonderful movie. A little surprise that you love The Matrix. Indeed. Come on, Philip, give us your trivia. Yeah. Are we doing that still? Yeah. We'll do it later. Kind of slacked. We're slacking off. I have trivia, but this is like the one time I've prepared.

0:42Well, there you go. That's your time to shine. You give us the trivia. Yeah, go. Well, trivia number one is, you guys are going to love this one. So, Neo is referred to as the one, which is an anagram of Neo. Nice one. Okay, keep the rest of them for the next episode. I'm going to have to change my trivia bit later. Because I put that on too. Oh, I stole it from you. I know. There you go. That's a good one. This is Minute 23. Brought to you by Late Night Podcasters. That's right. Welcome. It's hot, it's night, and I'm going to get some water. Yesterday was August 4th, which entailed the 20th anniversary of Skynet becoming aware.

1:23Oh, that's right. That's bad. Horrible. Well, Judgment Day happening. Thankfully, that didn't happen. And the only reason I'm saying that is because Terminator is a very similar franchise. It was averted in Terminator 2, and that's where the whole series ends, officially. Terminator 2, done. Indeed. Nice. Aren't you guys sick of everyone on the internet commenting anytime there's some kind of speaking of AI or a big company doing AI? Yeah, I agree. Oh, there's Skynet. Yep. Yeah, same joke. I'm kind of sick of that. Everyone forgets Cyberdyne. I mean, come on. Cyberdyne's a company. Cyberdyne's a company. Cyberdyne's systems. Those guys are responsible for making all the robots. Indeed. But I just wanted to mention Skynet and Terminator because it's a franchise that could easily be linked into the Matrix.

2:03You could put them together. Let me think here. AI becomes aware. Humanity fights with the machines. The machines become more advanced. Right. And then they put everyone into the Matrix. But would Neil be fussing around in the Matrix if he could time travel? Oh, that's true. It kind of breaks the Matrix. Time travel is a little different. It doesn't break Terminator, but it does break the Matrix, you know, if time travel is possible. True. True. Didn't think of that. Anyway, minute 23. Do you want to get to minute 23? Yes. All right, let's do it. Maybe they don't. Say yes or no. Okay. We'll do it anyway. It's like a telltale game. Wait, let me tell you my amazing story.

2:45I'm drinking this orange juice that on the box says, minimum 50% juice. All right. Very reassuring. How do we know what machines know what juice tastes like? What does that 50%? It could be 1.5. That is a very good question. I would love to talk about that one time because that actually brings into question a lot of how accurate the Matrix is. And the machines don't know what... Because think about this. If there's so many foods in the world, the machines would have to really somehow sample just everything. I mean, they would have to know what even the basic ingredients taste like. And they would have to have computer programs that would combine those ingredients into complex

3:29flavors. Yeah. That would be transmitted as impulses. That's right. Which is crazy. Just like the entire city. Like how do the machines know how rats work? Yeah. You know what I mean? We'll have time to talk about that when the subject arises. Because my opinion is that I think there's two views. And one view is that we take for granted that the Matrix is a one-to-one replica of the real world. And we don't question why that is. But just for the purpose of the story and the philosophical problem, we just suppose that. That's one view. And the second view, I think, is the more realistic view. is that the machines probably got a lot of it wrong. And a lot of it's just estimation. Well, yeah. I mean, later on in the movie, there is a character who sort of questioned this.

4:12So I think we have the right to question that. If it was never brought up in the movie, I guess it's kind of... We have the right to question that. But I also think that if you do that, then you also lose a bit of the philosophical conundrums. Because the entire idea is that... Well, no. Actually, you don't. Actually. Because, yeah. It'd be fine. It'd be fine both ways. Well, no. Because then you'd lose the philosophical conundrum of how can you know that you're not in the Matrix? And if there's signs, then you could know. But the whole idea is that you couldn't know. Okay. Anyway. That was quite an intro. That's fine. I mean, talking a little bit, you know. How are you guys doing? How are you guys doing? How are you liking it so far? I mean, you know. We've been talking the entire time. I think it's going pretty good.

4:52The entire time. Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know. There's always that email. Ask at The Matrix. Yeah. Answer at Minute.1. And we're going to have guests once we get into the real world. And then that's when we're going to try to get as many people as we can to discuss about this. That's not just us three. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. That's kind of the plan. I mean, if you want us just three, you know. It's a little private. We can do a little extra episode for you guys. Just set us a message. A little person I was knowing you. You know, just the three of us. Just talking. Oh, just talking. Real close to the mic. Like, real close. Just like a special bonus episode. You know some podcasts do bonus episodes. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I was hoping we would do that for Animatrix and Matrix Reloaded and Revelations. What if we throw those like smack dab in the middle somewhere of the show?

5:36If you want. I was expecting that for the end. But think about it. If the people want it at the end. If the people want it. If the people speak, we listen. We listen. And we will answer. Tell us what minute 23 has to offer. Yeah. Okay. 23. A lucky number. On the phone, Morpheus asks if they should meet. Neo says he does indeed want to meet Morpheus and waits in the middle of the rainy night under the bridge. He's taken in by Trinity and two others in an old car. Switch points a gun at him from the front of the car and threatens him to take off his shirt. For their protection. Neo is offered to leave.

6:17Switch says, our way? Or the highway? Away. And thus ends minute 23. Let us pray. So, yeah. That was minute 23. What do you guys, how can we start this? Well, I just wanted to say that Morpheus is on the phone and he asks, do you still want to meet? And that's the first thing that we get in this minute. And Neo goes, yes. I think this is. The Adam Street Bridge. Do you want me to talk about the Adam Street Bridge? Because I have the Adam Street Bridge right here. Well, Tim was going to say something. Well, I just wanted to say, yeah, I just wanted to say, I think, Jacob, I don't know if you know, but I think that was the call to action. The sixth call to action? The little call to action from Morpheus.

6:58No, this is the second true call to action. Remember, the first real call to action was at the office. Well, then it smash cuts to the Adam Street Bridge in the film. It's actually filmed in Campbell Street and Elizabeth Street in Chinatown in Sydney. And also, we have some pictures that I'll upload while this episode goes on on our Facebook and hopefully it'll be transferred to Twitter as well. It's some photos that a Flickr user called Jeremy Keith took and he went around Sydney and took a bunch of pictures where the Matrix was filmed and put some comparison shots, which is pretty interesting. So that's great. But Adam Street Bridge is one of the big bridges in downtown Chicago. It's also one of the bridges in Gotham City that they pull up to blockade the Narrows

7:41in Batman Begins. Because if you remember the one scene where the commissioner is like, what backup? Or whatever he said. And then Batman just goes, he jumps over the bridge. And that's the Adam Street Bridge. We always kind of took photos of the Adam Street Bridge when we were there in Chicago. And then when I found it, I was like, look, Adam Street Bridge. I remember that. Yeah, we get to see it a lot. But of course, the real Adam Street Bridge looks nothing like the one in the Matrix film. Because if you were going to meet under the Adam Street Bridge, you'd be underwater. Okay, I see what you're saying now. Oh, okay. So it's an actual water bridge. I remember now. Because I was confused. Because I was thinking, I don't remember ever being in a bridge like the one in the film. But you're just saying the name is the same.

8:22Yes, the name is the same. And they use a lot of the references in Chicago. Well, yeah, there's a lot of Chicago street names. Their hometown. Location names in the movie. Adam's Bridge, wait, Chicago, right? And it's a wonderful silhouette shot of Neo just standing there in the rain. You know, his figure, his outline is there. So we start with the phone call now. Oh, wait, Adam's Bridge, the one that folds, right? Yep. Yeah, that's the one from Midtown Madness. I love that place. That's right. Midtown Madness, Chicago. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So we have a short film. In our Matrix movie. Yeah, we have a short bunch of TV shows. I'm just hinting, I'm not going to harp on about this for a long time. But back in 2001 and 2002, we have this fake company, or not anymore.

9:05It's called PD Works, and it was my movie production company back in the day. And we made a bunch of little movies, little TV shows, commercials, all under that banner. And when it came time to 2001 and we watched The Matrix and were really influenced by it, we actually made our own offshoot. But it wasn't about The Matrix, but it heavily was ripped off of The Matrix. Yeah, ripped off. It's pretty good. Later on, we went ahead and made actual Matrix spin-offs. But in this case, we made a little short, it's a TV series called False Wipe. And I don't know where this name came from. Me neither, but it's one of the greatest names.

9:45But I just thought it sounded cool. False Wipe! And it kind of does sound like you're not wiping your bum very well while you're in the toilet. But otherwise, in 2000... I would take from Parks and Recreation. Yeah. Keep wiping and wiping, still poop. Still poop. That is exactly it. But it was a false wipe, so there's nothing. You come out of the bathroom, false wipe? Yeah. Yeah. And we filmed different episodes where the whole show, the narrative takes place where a good guy, played by me, and his partners go and try to stop a bad guy called Megabyte. I think that's his name. No, Unknown. Unknown. Unknown.

10:25You were the good guy? Yeah, I was the good guy. I thought it was the opposite around. I had no name, so I'm called No Name, allegedly. Oh, God. And the bad guy played by Jake was called Unknown, and he was looking for the lost discs, and the whole point is chasing each other around different virtual worlds. And no one knows what the real world is, but it's all in different computer simulations, and we get to do cool stunts just like in The Matrix, but we never explain the plot, really. No, I'm learning about the plot right now. So in this particular episode in February 2002, Tim, we were visiting his place, his parents' place back then. I was 13, Tim was 13, you were four years younger than that. And we made our special false wipe episode, I think it was four or something like that,

11:12and we used the Midtown Madness game that Tim had installed on his dad's computer. And we used that for all the car exteriors. And it had the Chicago, Chicago, the athletic city of Chicago. Well, no, we thought it was ingenious because we filmed Tim in the driver's seat of a car. Yes. At night. At night. So you couldn't see the background, you could just see the steering wheel in his face and him moving it around. Yep. And then we just, you know, just so phenomenally cut to super realistic Midtown Madness 2001 graphics. We thought it was so realistic. Oh yes. Of the car. To be honest. Which was also a green car. Driving through the city at different angles and cameras spinning around.

11:53I think it turned out pretty well. I think the only problem with it is most of our editing. The problem is it just goes on for too long. You know what I mean? It's like we have to reuse every single footage we recorded. And it just keeps dragging on. I think if it was the first couple of seconds. And the method we shot was run and gun. So we just went, okay, go. Okay, action. Okay, good. We got it. Let's keep going. You know, and then we just did it like that. And basically one take was it. And that's it. That's why we reminded ourselves of the Adams Street Bridge and how we actually did that on Midtown Madness and performed this virtual stunt where the car just jumped over the bridge

12:33as the bridge was folding up. Yes. There we go. And that is the story of the Adams Bridge. So what we're saying is that are movies more accurate than the actual Matrix? Well, we never mentioned that it was the Adams Street Bridge. So I'm afraid we weren't very accurate. The true fans will find out. The true fans will find out. Anyway, let's get back to it. So this wonderful silhouette is going on. Neo's just waiting and the car comes in and the rain over the bridge, you can tell that it's kind of artificial. Let's just take a moment to note. It's quite fake because it's falling like. Oh, yeah. Straight down. Yeah, it's coagulating on the edges of the bridge and, you know, real rain obviously doesn't do that. Before we get to that, let's just take a moment to notice something I've noticed forever

13:14was that Neo gets into the car. The door isn't yet closed and they just drive off immediately and Neo is forced to close the door mid going under the edge of the bridge, meaning that the water will get into the car when he closes it. That's right. And I mean, I just thought that was inconsiderate of them. They could have waited a little bit for Neo to close the door and then drive off. Right. It's funny that there's a certain kind of people and I think there's more in our generation. I don't know what's it like tied to, but these kind of things that bother you, like, you know, in movies where, okay, this is a very dramatic example and it's part of the move. But you know when John McClane forgets his shoes, you know what I mean?

13:58It's that like, oh no, your shoes. Like, you have smaller parts in movies like where they forget their food. Like, they get, you know, they buy a drink and some food and then somebody starts chasing them and leave the food. And you're like, no. My favorite is also taking like one bite. So this is your kind of no leave the food moment. Or is it any kind of, yeah, it's just like that. No, no, no, don't, don't, don't. Because remember, now you can delete this if this is too personal. But I remember I asked you guys why you guys never wear like slippers or flip flops outside. And you guys, in case there's a catastrophe, you have to run and slippers will just slow down. I think I said that. I don't remember this at all. Oh, you said that. Okay. I think my, my, but it's, but it's that sort of like, uh, no, no.

14:42My thinking was like, I'll be agile and swift, you know, like all the time, like just constantly. That's funny. But I get that. It's like, like, no, my everything must be perfect. Yeah. So I have to say that was a kid thing. So as Neo sees the car come in, he looks at it. Trinity opens it up. Familiar face. Thank goodness. You know, it's someone, it's not creepy. It's not too mysterious, but it is Trinity. And it's not just some stranger. Like if it was Apoc, it would be a little bit more weird. Neo would go, huh, huh. But yeah, like how would you feel getting into this car? You know what I mean? Uh, I think scared going in with these guys. Of course, of course I'd be scared. But I think that the difference would be that if I was, uh, in Neo's mindset, as soon as

15:26I'd said yes to more face on the phone, I think I would have already been in that zone of, okay, I'm just going to go through with this. And it's been a while of finding out about more face and stuff like this. And he helped him when they were. Yeah. And so I think I would, I would be scared, but at the same time I would just go, okay, I'm going for this because there's no point to do anything else. What's he going to do? Go back. It's stupid. Right. Go back to your room. And let's not, let's not forget that, you know, Neo has been hanging out with Choi and his friends. So, you know, leather wearing cool guys in the middle of the night is not something new to him, you know? That's right. He's used to this kind of stuff. And she opens up the car. Now, it's funny how the car has a reverse sort of opening doors.

16:07Yes, it does. And I can tell you a little bit about the car. No, Philip, that was my next trivia. Oh, was it? Well, I mean, I... Your trivia is lost. Go. Get that last. Well, like, it's a 1965 Lincoln Continental. That's correct. It was one of the most expensive American cars back in the 60s. That's correct. And it was worth about six to seven grand. Oh, but do you have the conversion for modern? I have the conversion. Oh. So, it's like 53-ish thousand bucks now. Yeah, around 50,000 bucks. Okay. But, listen, you don't have the comparison, do you? Of what? The comparison is it was around $50,000 new in today's dollars. But, during the same time, a 1965 Ford Mustang was worth around $20,000.

16:48Oh. Oh, okay. So, Ford Mustang classic car, only $20,000. Look at that. This Lincoln. Finally, I don't have to see. Yeah, but this is a luxury car. Crazy. It probably had, like, a cigarette holder. Oh, yeah. And a wine holder. And all this... And it had the reverse opening doors. Mm-hmm. So, it was sort of like a... What do you call those doors? I didn't look that up. I wouldn't know. I don't know they have a name. But, I don't know much about cars. The car is in doors. This is the biggest, you know, like, explanation of a car that I've ever talked about. The other thing is that it's wonderful because it matches that 50s and 60s old and busted aesthetic that the Matrix seems to keep having in this film. Which is another kind of maybe overlooked thing in the film. What do you think about that?

17:29The vibe of that sort of... I think that... The phones plus the cars and the chairs. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, I think... It's a classic film noir. Yeah. Oh, yes. That's it. The film noir. Because it's not super noticeable unless you're really paying attention. But I think it gives it that slick, otherworldly vibe. Indeed. Yeah, yeah. Very much so. It's very different. But it makes you wonder, like, if you're going to put logic into it. I mean, the logic is it looks cool from the movie-making perspective. But, okay, so they can spawn anything they want into this world. Why would they choose this car? Is it inconspicuous? I would say inconspicuous.

18:09Whoever's spawning is, like, loves it. He's like, it's my favorite car. Yes. Yes. Apoc. Apoc's driving it. Apoc. Apoc's a car guy and he never could afford this while he was in the Matrix. So he just spawns all these cars in here. My thinking is... And he's like, Apoc, not again. Can we just get a nice new car with some AC and, you know, some comfortable wheels? Oh, man. Look at this car. My thinking was always this, right? Look at the doors. They go like this. You know how artistic people you know in real life tend to have very good aesthetic choices? Oh, yeah. From fashion to how they set up maybe their room or sort of like, you know, stuff like that. Like, in general, they know what looks good and they know what they like.

18:52That's kind of what I always pictured the people on the Nebuchadnezzar. At least some of them, they sort of know what's cool and what's like different. And so that's why they picked this vibe is because they know that they have to do important things in the Matrix. But while they're going to do that, they're going to do that in a very cool artistic fashion. I like it. I like it. So they're not going to be just like utilitarian and boring. They're going to be cool. I mean, I totally get it. If it's a Nebuchadnezzar crew. And I don't want to put this in, but sure, let's talk about the sequels. In the sequels, you get more of these gangs, these Matrix running gangs. Yeah, the crews. Who hack into the Matrix. And they all kind of have the same vibe. Oh, man. So they hand out pamphlets.

19:32Forgot about that. This is cool. This is not cool. Well, here's the thing. This is my classic. This is the way I view movies is that you can watch the Matrix as a standalone film, meaning the second and third don't exist. Or you can look at it as three films. And if we're talking about just looking at the Matrix as one movie, then only the Nebuchadnezzar crew has this cool style. Yeah, okay. And that's what I would say. Cool. Because look at Morpheus' style. It's pretty much it. And he chooses these chairs. So we could think maybe more that's Morpheus' style. And he kind of... Could be. Could be. As the guide and the leader, he kind of puts this as an example.

20:15Maybe he's the one handing out the memos. Yeah. Everyone, put up. Or he just picks people who have that kind of... Oh, yeah. I like your style. Blue pill or red pill? Look, Neo had an old phone in his thing. That was a sign. He's the one. So anyway, as they traverse into this car and they're driving, just for a minute later, Switch just appears out of nowhere, points a gun at his face. Yeah, let's talk about that. And there she is. And the water phone just goes... And Neo says, what? He's like, what's this all about? And she goes, it's for our protection. And Neo's like, against who?

20:58From you. From you. Sorry, that's what I meant to say. Yeah. So Tim, tell me. Yeah. Why? I've always wondered why this happened. It's a simple explanation. Later on in the movies, Morpheus does a little test for Neo. There's a little program, a little test called the one with the red woman. And he explains this. And he says a specific sentence that anyone who isn't unplugged is potentially an agent. So basically, he's not plugged yet. So anytime he can turn into Agent Smith or any of the other agents and just knock their ass off. That's why they're really, really scared. I mean, she has the gun pointing at his head, but she's still freaked out like crazy.

21:39Wow. I never knew this. Wonderful. Did you know this? I did my research. Oh, well. How long have you known this, Tim? I don't know. It's always seemed like after you've seen that scene. Wow. No, I never even thought of that. Because I was thinking stupidly. I was thinking, Morpheus is talking metaphorically. I was thinking saying like, if you're not one of us, you're one of them, meaning that you are not freed and enlightened. Yeah, that's right. That's like the whole ending is just that, you know? Oh, man. But yeah. But yeah, like it has a double meaning to it, like a double purpose. Yes. The first purpose is that it's weird and creepy when you're watching it. You have no idea what's going on. It adds tension. Can you trust these people still? It's mysterious.

22:19But also when you watch it again, you're like, oh, yeah, agents. Right. You're afraid of the agents. Now, let's just talk about Switch really quickly. Okay. Don't worry. I'm not going to rein in on like giving a whole biography. But this individual. Tell us every single movie she's been in. No, no, no. It's fine. List it chronologically. But I just wanted to say that she's Australian actress Belinda McClory. And she's also a writer. And she wrote a movie called X. Night of Vengeance. And also did television shows and shorts. Matrix was her first movie. No way. Like her first appearance as a character in a feature film. As an actor. Yeah. I like her hair. It's pretty cool. Yeah. And she does a pretty good Australian. She does a pretty good American accent.

23:00Southern accent. Not too bad. It says, yeah. Southern E. Old Southern Twang. We don't get to see Apoc. So, you know. He's not here yet. We'll see you later. So Switch calls him Copper Top. Listen up, Copper Top. That was, yeah. That's interesting. What is that? Do you think that that is? There's my question. You don't know? Okay. Tell us. I have no idea. I never even noticed. Duracell batteries are Copper Top. That's what I'm going to say. Oh. Is that reference to Morpheus later? Yes. It says turning a human being into this and holds up a Duracell. Yep. That is pretty funny. I did not know that. Copper Top. We all learned a thing today. We did. We all learned something. Well, Phil didn't learn anything. No. Phil knows everything. Phil knows everything. He can't learn. I'm the dungeon master.

23:40His brain is somewhere else. Okay, Phil. Can you tell us what gun she has? Did you research that? Isn't it Desert Eagle? No. It's not Desert Eagle. No. I don't know. I don't know either. Is this your theory for the next episode? I should have researched that one. But we do have a lot of fun stuff to talk about for the script. The early 1996 script. Now we're going to assume. No, no, no. It's now. We can do it now. Okay, let's do it. But before that, I just wanted to say, she said, we don't have time for 20 questions. Right now, it's just, you know, one choice our way or the highway. Well, 20 questions is, of course, a reference to the game. I didn't know this. What? One thing I didn't know. And I just did have to do my research and find out. Well, let me tell you something. Do you know 20 questions is the classic game I think used to be on paper, but then they

24:21made it into an electronic device you could purchase. A little toy. Uh-huh. 20 questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always thought 20 questions was originally an electronic toy, but I don't think so. I think it was an old paper. It was an old game show. It was from the 1940s. Oh, game show. Yeah. It was a game show. 20 questions. Spoken parlor game, which encourages deductive reasoning created originally the United States and was played widely in the 19th century. So, it's a parlor game. And then it became a show in the 1940s throughout the 90s. To the 90s. And if you remember- How does this play? I have to check this. But if you remember 101 Dalmatians. I'm sorry. Like, there's this criminal on the TV show that the bad guys are watching. And it's 20 questions. It's a parody of 20 questions.

25:01So, the game is basically you think of something and then the person asks you a series of questions like, does it walk? Oh. And you go, no. Okay. Is it an animal? Yes. And you do that. And I think typically 20 questions is the goal. By then you should have already a guess. You should have an answer. Okay. Okay. That's pretty cool. And that's pretty much what happens in the minute, I think. She's like, our way or the highway? And then Neo's just like, guh? Guh? He doesn't say anything here. Pretty creepy stuff, what's going on here, you know? Like, what will happen next? And it's about to get even creepier. But, if you want to go back in time to 1996, I would love to go back in time. And listen to this wonderful draft of the scene that happens in the 1996 Matrix.

25:44There's some new characters in there. Some characters that never appear ever again. Oh, it's a van now. More characters in the car. Yeah. Mystery van. So, I will read this for you and you can laugh along. Okay. So, Morpheus is on the phone. They got to you first, but they've underestimated how important you are. If they knew what I know, you'd probably be dead. You know that one, right? Neo feels sick. And this is what he says. He says, I don't know what you are thinking right now, but I want you to understand that I will not give up on you until you give up on me. Okay. Neo's throat cracks. Dry as the Sahara.

26:26Morpheus says, do you still want to meet? And Neo goes, dot, dot, dot. Yes. Then take the Howard line south. Click. Click. He closes his eyes, unsure of what he has done. Exterior. L train. The L train returns. Oh, he's on the train. Uh-huh. And L train rages against its metal rails. Interior. L train. It is 3 a.m. And the train carries the usual urban nightcrawlers. Neo sits alone, eyes shifting. Watching everything nervously. There is a metal bang. And train clatter fills the car as the doors opened. Neo turns and sees a large man enter.

27:07He's wearing sunglasses and a black leather jacket. Oh, no. His name is? Nice. A-pok. Oh, A-pok. And he walks straight to Neo. A-pok, come with me. Neo stands just as the door at the opposite end opens and two police officers rush in. D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d, drawing their guns. A-pok grabs Neo, muscling him to the nearest exit. There is no upcoming station. D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d. A-pok yanks the emergency brake and the train buckles against its own speed. The cops are thrown back. Neo slams against the metal rail. The doors open onto nothing. And just when Neo regains his balance, A-pok shoves him backwards. Bum, bum, bum. He flies out of the train.

27:48Ah! Arms wind-rilling. Wind-rilling? Hmm. As he- What is that? As he falls from the raised tracks. Hurtling towards a busy street when, out of nowhere, a truck races under him and he crashes into a large dumpster filled with empty boxes. Wow. Interior truck bed. Classic. Still shaking his head. Neo realizes he's not alone. A man named- There's boxes. A man named Cabby is aiming a big gun at him. Trinity is next to him, talking into a cellular phone. Trinity's on the phone. We got him. Call the chop shop. Chop shop.

28:28She hangs up. Listen to me, Neo. You have to trust us. She tears off a long strip of black duct tape and reaches for his face. What are you doing? This has to be done, Neo. For your protection and ours. And she seals his eyes shut with the tape. Oh my goodness. Trinity says- Imagine his eyebrows and she takes that off. You can't understand right now, but if you're not one of us, you're one of them. Oh. Woo! Exterior. Lower Wacker. That's another street in Chicago. A featureless black van glides up to the staircase that curls down from the city surface. Trinity guides the blind Neo down the steps. The back of the van-

29:09Are we already past- Where is this going? Is this past what we watched? Yeah, but this is deleted stuff, so we can stop and we can do it next time. Okay, why not? Wow. Cliffhanger. That's what's the same thing. Cliffhanger. Dun, dun, dun. We'll return with 1996 Matrix. What was the name of the other person? Clipper? What was it? Cabby. Cabby. Wow. So much better in the movie than this. What is this? But yeah, so this has an action scene in it, though. Well, I'm noticing that this old script had a lot more action. A lot more trains. A lot more trains and boxes. But who knows? Maybe it's better turned out this way. More chill. I think it is streamlined.

29:49I think everything that is deleted is usually something that took a long time to make its point. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like, if you had an extended version, I guess that would be fun, but it wouldn't really add to anything. Yeah. I think it wouldn't add. Yeah. I think more cops and everything just, like, making it more crazier. And plus, I think that if you really... It kind of makes you lose the importance of what's going on. The way I think about it is that, you know, watching it for the first time would be really exhilarating. Maybe this more action version, but I think maybe re-watching would maybe get tiresome. The cops at the beginning and the cops again. Yeah, the cops are... More action. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. And then we get this classic shot of the bridge in the water. It's quite lovely. We wouldn't get that. We would get boxes. Falling into boxes. Falls down into a truck full of boxes.

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