Minute 128: “A world where anything is possible.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00The Matrix Minute, a podcast where we discuss the first film one minute at a time. In this case, everybody, the final minute of the times. The last minute at a time. Here we are. Welcome, I am Phil. I'm Jake. And I am Tim and welcome the last ever Matrix Minute. It's true. This is the last proper minute that we're going to cover. This is the final one. We're here. I know. At the end of all things.

0:40And to... Just to, like, give you context, I actually started... I talked about it in a previous episode, but I actually asked us and we started recording last year, April. And it's this year, April. So it's been a full year. Since we're here now. A journey to remember. Let's talk about that. So Phil, you... It was a journey. Tell us a little about your history and where you got the idea for this project. Yes. Well, uh... Tell us. It happened way back in 2016 when I stumbled upon a YouTube video. Uh... This Scottish guy who usually just talks about, uh...

1:21Recipes. Made a whole video about how the music of Alien was, uh... Changed and altered, uh... Throughout its production. Post-production. Jerry Goldsmith didn't like it. And once he was talking about it, he used a lot of sources from a thing called Alien Minute. Um... And those guys, I wanted to get them on our show, but, uh... You know, I guess the circumstances didn't, uh... Make themselves, uh... Allowing. They just didn't allow it. But those guys do a great job. They're covering Alien, Aliens. And I think they're going to be on Alien 3 now. May God rest their souls. Um... But, uh... I heard of the Alien Minute since then.

2:03And he recommended it on his video. By the way, it's a great video. Then, uh... I checked it out. Started listening to it. And I was like, wow. This is interesting. You know, you're going one minute at a time. They're breaking down the whole film. Movies by Minutes podcast was Alien Minute. That I had heard of. Yeah. Interesting. I thought it was the Star Wars Minute. No, I didn't see Star Wars Minute. I saw Alien Minute first. You mean you heard? Well, no. I saw it on, like, a website and stuff. And... I saw it with a very own eyes. And I have to say, like... I thought that was super nerdy. And it was, like, just the stuff that I like. Because it's, like, going into detail. And the podcast is going to be every episode a minute of the movie. So we're going to discuss the little nitty gritties of every kind of shot and scene and whatever you want.

2:48And I thought, yes, I'm listening to that. And then I did. And then I found out that Crystal Beth was on one of the episodes. And I'm like, wait a second. There's more of these. There's Star Wars Minute. Oh, I see. That's when you discovered that it was sort of a bigger... A larger world universe. Yes. And then I checked them out. There was Star Wars and then a Jurassic Park Minute and all those other minutes. And then I just found out that there was a whole community. And they're all, like, hanging out on Facebook. And we were invited. Well, we invited ourselves. And everybody liked us. And I said, guys, maybe we can do something like this. Jake and Tim, maybe we can do something. And, of course, the initial reaction to...

3:29The initial reaction to... Wait, are you telling me that you joined... No, I didn't join. The fit. Okay. No, I didn't. But I thought, hey, maybe we could do something like this. In his mind, he was part of the team. Because I was having a really fun time listening to those shows. I was really having a fun time being part of the team. So, yeah, you're listening to the shows. You're getting into it. And you're discovering all these other... And I thought it was great. I think it was fantastic. And I felt like, maybe we could do something like this. So, when did this idea come up in your head? Like, maybe we can do one of these minutes. Well, like February. Maybe it's one of these movies. Yeah, February 2017. Was Matrix the first thing to pop into your head? No, it wasn't. Really? Because I thought... What? You know, because I did the Lord of the Rings audiobook. And I did this and that.

4:10And I know a lot about it. So, I thought, you know, Lord of the Rings would be pretty good. But, of course, then you'd have to go through all the films. And that would be way too big of a commitment. A wild... And I wouldn't know who to do it with. Because I know that Jago probably wouldn't want to do it. That'd be amazing. Tim wouldn't want to do it. And so, I thought, you know... Can you imagine the Lord of the Rings minute if we had done it with Phil? We still wouldn't be finished probably with the first movie, right? Yep. At this rate, no. It'd be the worst because, Tim, at least you would know some of the... Obviously, you would know a lot more. Some of the... Of course, yeah. Because you read the books and you understand it. You could comprehend the books. The Silmalarian. And I would just be going... So, is Kirith Ungol the same as Minas Morgul?

4:54Morgul. Look at the accent. Morgul. Morgul. So, yeah. So, you had the inception and you're thinking, okay, Lord of the Rings, but then you started thinking, okay, Lord of the Rings. Yeah, because I was talking to you about it and I said, you know, I could bring my friend like Riccardo Riccobelo, who did the Italian version. And, you know, and we could get people like that to talk about the movies as it goes along. But I knew it would not be a possibility for me because that would just take way too much of my time and energy. And we have... And then I found out that they already were doing one on Dueling Genre. That's correct. I love those guys. Yeah. And I mean, to be fair, like, as much as you know about Lord of the Rings and you're a strong follower, I think there's probably much better, you know, suited people than us

5:38three to do that. Oh, yeah. I think they'll do much more justice. Exactly. Well, no, I think us three as a dynamic is not for something like that. No. I think to all the listeners... Gandalf was born. Who listens? To all the listeners. There'll be episode 10 already. Like, have you heard of this YouTube thing? Yeah. To all the listeners who listened so far, I think it's apparent that we kind of, you know, the seams have been lost at this point. Of course. But let's look at the story. Let's finish the story, the backstory. So then you're thinking about this. And I thought, what other movie? And then I was thinking... I remember at Star Wars Minute and they had their whole website with all the movies by minutes listed. And I was looking and scrolling and going, maybe The Matrix.

6:18Maybe The Matrix, because Jacob and I and Tim, we all had the same kind of communion with The Matrix. Oh, he broke a bread. Yes. And I thought, this is perfect. This is a perfect opportunity. And I'm looking and scrolling and seeing if there's any new ones that are like this. And thankfully, there was nothing. But my heart was pounding at some point when I was looking at that website and just looking at all the thumbnails for the podcast. Because I thought, there's these guys who did Jurassic Park and I thought we could do something similar because they were talking about trivia and I'm like, yeah, I can do trivia. I can look for stuff like that. And we can always bring in our memories and our stuff like that. Our stuff like that. So I broke it to you guys that maybe we could do that, Matrix.

7:00And then I remember Tim and you were kind of confused at first about how, you know, will we go about doing that? I really don't remember what that conversation was. And then Tim was like, so wait a second. So is it the whole, like the whole movie? But it's one minute. So we talk about one minute every episode. And I'm like, yeah, that's how it goes. And then. What happened? I think you and Tim were kind of like, what are we going to talk about? We're not going to have much to say. We're prophets. No, we are subtle prophets. Okay. But to be fair, the first half of this podcast series. Well, no, let's finish the story. Okay. Finish the story. You're going back ahead. Sorry.

7:41So then we said, we're going to do it. And that was in April. That was in March. March. We're like, okay. And then I don't know what. And then you did some research too. You were actually listening to like. That's right. Other of those podcasts and going, yeah, yeah, we can do it. We can do it. We have good microphones. That is true. We do good microphones. The one that broke the dam. Yeah. And it seems people are responsive to it. So let's give it a shot. I'm thinking like, oh, I don't have any content. The microphones. And you know, the things that, the things that actually drive me to do these things is sometimes superfluous. And in this case, I really liked the artwork for Alien Minute when they first had the original artwork. And I molded my, our Matrix Minute, little Sentinel guy on Alien Minute.

8:23That's cool. I think it makes sense. Super discovering stuff. Because it felt like, you know, minimalist and educational. It felt like you're going to, you're in for some kind of good content with that. I like it. Good job. And that's one of the reasons. Yeah, Phil did the cover. Thank you. He did the cover. Do you see that? Do you see the logo? It's pretty much the Matrix style, but not the font. And also another interesting fact is that we originally wanted our website and our theme to be kind of green. Yes. That's how I started it. That's true. Yeah, Phil also started green, but then we figured like, eh, it doesn't make much sense. It's better to go with this weird bluish purple. Because that's the real world and the Matrix first film is just like purplish, bluish.

9:03Yeah. And like if you look at the promotional art from the first movie, they never, they never pushed the green tint or the green coat. Even like the coat is like bluish, purplish. So even like the authentic album art. It's like, remember the motion picture score was blue. Yeah, it's all blue. So that's what nostalgic to me, like, you know, the Matrix, the greenness reminds me of the sequels while the blueness and purplish reminds me of the first movie. I think you also think more of, for some reason for me, I always think more of like the Nebuchadnezzar and stuff in the first film. I think it's somehow more prevalent, but I could be wrong on the specifics, but it feels like that. And that's... So finally then we did it in April. I think we... Yeah, but it took a while.

9:44I don't remember how we... I don't remember how we did that. ...started it at all. I know the whip was, guys, guys, someone's going to take it. We have to do it. That's right. That's what it was. That's what made us do it. Because we were thinking like, if we don't go and record these, maybe someone's going to go make it and we're done. Because I think Phil like made a shady deal where they would keep it for a while, like reserved for us and no one can take it. Shady deal. I think I did. I think I... I don't remember, but I think I contacted... A month or something like that. Yeah, I think I contacted a few people, you know, who did their own shows and I said, is there a Matrix Minute? I actually contacted... That's right. You contacted Pete? Pete the retailer. Yeah. He wasn't on our podcast. His co-host was Alex Robinson.

10:25And I just asked, is it possible for us to make the Matrix Minute? Here, look, we actually have a demo for you. We have the intro. And I showed him the intro. That is true. We had an intro. We made our introductory episode. By the way, guys... Oh. Yeah. Yeah. And I did that. That's the first thing we did, I think. Yes. Yeah. And I did that and I sent it to him and he probably didn't really listen to much because all he said was, fine with me. Sounds great. Well, because other people submit. Yeah. We don't even know, though. I mean, it wasn't like... This isn't... I just asked him just, you know, as a nice, friendly way. Of course, yeah. Instead of just being like, ho, ho, ho. Sneaky sneak. And also, we were a little alarmed because of the matrixminute.com.

11:07That's right. I would love to know who the matrixminute.com is because it's still up. And it says podcast. It says podcast. But we pushed him away. We pushed him away. On the Google. We bullied our way into Google's top search. But yeah, if you're out there, the matrixminute.com, which is the original URL we wanted, exists. And all it says on the website is paved chasm in green text. Is it still there? In the top left corner. And yeah, if you're there, we would like to know. Maybe, do you want to do the sequels? Yeah, yeah. If you want, you already have the domain. We're dead serious. Like, I mean, if you want to do it, if you're planning to do it. Because the name of the site is thematrixminute.com. And its title is The Matrix Minute Podcast. And there it is.

11:47Strange. Just paved chasm and nothing. I tried to look up a little bit of info maybe to see if there's something planned. But yeah, so then we went for thematrixminute.com. Because that's clever. I thought it was a cool URL. Yeah. I didn't know that it existed. It's great. We saved ourselves there from being stupid and writing something like thematrixminute.net. Yeah. Well, lordoftherings.net, remember that? Oh, man. Hello, this is Christopher Lee. Is it .NET? Welcome to the lordoftherings.net. Maybe I should have just bought myself a .NET URL and be old school. It is old school. And it would have fit Matrix, you know? It's true. Thematrix.net. Join the net. Surf your way into the net.

12:28So anyway, we recorded about, like we said in the last episode. It was like nine episodes and one intro. So basically ten. And yeah. Didn't we redo some stuff? I think the intro, I think. We kind of cobbled some things together. Because we weren't happy. We weren't even sure what we were. We sounded weird. Well, because the interesting thing is that this isn't, like we mentioned on the podcast before, is this isn't the first podcast we did. We still have an ongoing podcast that needs to die. Phil and I made a podcast. We started in 2013. Yes. Called Phil and Jake in Conversation. Which is more like just for our friends and stuff where we talked about various things we're interested in. And we kept that going. Sometimes regularly.

13:09Sometimes non-regularly. In the schedule. So, I don't know. Just really like a cool. And Tim would join more often. And towards the end he just became a regular co-host. Regular guest, man. Exactly. And so. And for anybody interested, you can go to Phil and Jake in Conversation. What was it called? Nope. It's notpodcast.phildragish.com. That's right. Notpodcast.phildragish.com. An amazing URL. Yeah. So, yeah. I think the conversation is all over the place. But there's some movie stuff as well. So. I think there's some movie reviews and things. Yeah. I mean, because like originally. There's this gigantic like seven hour Star Wars Force Awakens episode.

13:53That's true. Very jarring. It's true. Very jarring. Scary. So, you know. Not for everyone. No. But there's a good Halloween episode about spooky stories. Yeah. Those are fun episodes where we talk about. Yeah. The specials. Like there's specials. We have like two year, three year, four year specials. Four year? Was there a four year special? Those are always fun. Yeah. There's all kinds of nuggets. If you want to listen to some of our personal stories. We might be considering doing some podcasts in the future. And we'll definitely, you know. Keep subscribed if you can to this channel. We might. If that comes up. We might, you know. Pop in here. To be able to do an announcement. Yeah. Just to be like. Hey, hey, hey. You know. Come on. So keep your. Eyes peeled?

14:34Is that the phrase? Keep your eyes peeled and your. Your ears. And your iTunes subscribed. Like a dog. You know. And your head tilted. And your head tilted. For a long time. Or a short time. You never know. You never know. Keep guessing. You never know. You never know. And then we did that. So we finished those. And we recorded them. And then we. We were proud of ourselves for being ahead of the curve. Because we had 20 episodes. Or what was it? 10 episodes. We stood on top of the hill. Going. We had 10 episodes as a buffer. So we could keep recording our episodes. And. But you know. I have to say. It was. It was pretty exciting. That when we started the podcast. Because we had. We had to schedule these things. Yes. We never did that before. We hit the schedule button. And we're like. It was cool. Scheduled. It wasn't just like. It wasn't just like. Randomly.

15:15Yeah. Uploading. It was great. We had a buffer zone for a long time. And the buffer zone dwindled. And dwindled. And dwindled. Because we never. We had to keep. We would have to have. Kept up the pace. And if we kept up the pace. We would still have 10. And human nature combined with us. Well we could have. Well we had 10. We would. If we had gone the way. It was supposed to go. You mean like. Classic official business. Mm-hmm. We would have still had 10 episodes buffered. So at this point. We would have. Been relaxing. And. Sitting on the beach. 10 episodes would have been going. And we wouldn't have to worry about it. We were drinking our margaritas. Yes. While it's publishing itself. Yep. But here we are. Last minute. Yep. Last minute. But I'm glad we survived.

15:56Because. The hardship came. When summer comes. Because summer kills any project. We. We are part of. It just becomes ultimate lazy town. That's true. We made it through summer. Through a project. The summer didn't kill us. That's so cool. I don't even know how that happened. I don't have very many memories. And also. An interesting thing is that. Since we are revealing things. Is that. For some reason. Well not for some reason. But I. It's true that. The holidays really do. Change the. Numbers. Mm-hmm. Christmas and stuff like that. Yeah. It's sort of. It's basically like. The holocaust of listeners. Exactly. And then. But you have to. It goes well to mention. But then. I'm so happy that everyone's back. Yeah. But it goes well to mention that. Our listenership. Was about.

16:37You could see it yourself. 200. 200 listeners. From the first month. But then once we. Introduced ourselves on the Facebook page. The group. Mm-hmm. For Movies by Minutes. Community guys. Yeah. Who are one of the best. Like. Community members. Oh. Killer community. On a Facebook group. That I've ever. Ever experienced. They're all super supportive. And nice. Exactly. And great to talk to. And welcoming. And from then on. It was like. Poo. 1,000. Just like. 1,000 what? What are they? Listeners. 1,000 listeners. What? Per month. Oh yeah. I guess we're doing the numbers. Yeah. Our average is what? 2,500.

17:18Yeah. Somewhere around there. Per month. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So. Not listeners. We're being transparent here. Listens. Listens. Not listeners. That'd be amazing. Yeah. We have like. I think. I think it's. Averaging. Our peak was like. 200 listeners per episode. 200 listens per episode. 200 listeners per episode. Something like that. Okay. That's cool. So. I think it's cool. It's better than our old podcast. The cool thing is the older episodes actually have a lot more. I think it's people catching up. That's what I'm thinking too. And our newer. The newer episodes as of now. Like when we're finishing the podcast. Is roughly like 100 or so. So. You know. It's not a big. Not a big podcast. But this is why we appreciate everyone who's listening. Yes. It's really great to have you. And you know.

17:58Maybe the cool thing is. Maybe people might discover the podcast later or something. I don't know. Only time will tell. I put it. I put in the. As we're doing this. I put in the numbers for March. And. I guess we will never be able to recover to the great numbers of November 2017. What was that? It's like. Total. I think it was like. Let's see. About 4,000. What? Are you serious? 4,000 in November? Yeah. Yeah. But we never managed to get to that. Those heights again. Wow. I wonder what happened. But these are historic. I mean. These could be much bigger now. I just don't look at them like that. True. True. Although you know. They couldn't be. What am I crazy? Yeah.

18:39I'm a moron. Nothing. I'm a moron. I'm a moron. Why? They can't grow. Numbers can't grow in November. November has passed. Time travelers. Why can't they go back? Time travelers go back and listen. Oh you mean you're saying grow. November. Yeah. I'm being a fool. Attack November. Make it grow. Make it grow. So yeah. Those are the truths. Those are the facts. Those are the facts. And we are here to reveal them to you. Because we have no shame. And we love you. And with that we can go into our last minute. Yes. Wow. By the way.

19:19Finally here. Finally here. And this is minute 128. Are you ready? Yes. Give it to us for the last time. Make it saucy. Make it great. Make it dramatic. Make it saucy. Make it juicy. See. Neo continues speaking through the phone. The screen still saying system failure. He says, A world without rules or controls. Without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. We move into the system failure screen until it transitions to the speaker on the phone Neo is holding.

20:00He's in a phone booth. Where we go from there, he says. It's a choice I leave to you. He hangs up the phone and exits the phone booth. Standing amidst a bustling city in the clear daylight. Seas of people walking to and fro. Living out their lives. Oblivious. Neo puts on his sunglasses and looks up at the sky. We travel far up in the air. Seeing the giant metropolis around him. Until Neo is out of sight. But just then, he flies into the air and across the screen. The end.

20:41Come on! I'm like, dee dee dee dee dee dee. That's all I was on. Look at that! Can you imagine seeing the credits on the minute video? Doesn't it feel good? Yeah. Flying man. Finally finished. Superman. System failure. Wow! Well, that's it. That's it, dude. There it is. Well, thanks everyone. It's such a quick escalation, though. Alright. Ridiculous. This is crazy. Just chilling at the Oracle's house, eating cookies. And this is happening now. You know what this reminds me of? Seeing the ending now is almost like the feeling when you finish watching a movie again.

21:27Yeah. But it just took us a year. Yeah. We get the extra, extra long version. Man, we had such a long version of this movie. Took us a whole year. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you want to watch a movie for a year, start a minutes podcast. Yep. The movie that never ends. Well, it ends now. I mean, you know. I'm just so glad. It has ended now. Excuse me. I'm just so glad that we picked The Matrix. Because it's the only movie we could have ever done. It's the only movie we could have. I'm racking my brain trying to think of any other movie. Really, guys. I'm thinking, like, just thinking about it, there's nothing else we could have done and

22:08nothing else we could do. And there's nothing else that all three of us could have done. No. I mean, I'm pretty sure we all have a separate movie that we, you know, love and could dissect, but not three of us together. I really can't think of any other film. Me either. Yeah. Because it sustained us. I mean, I love Children of Men or something like that. I mean, there's lots of movies that I love, but I don't think there's a movie that all three of us could like just sit down. Yeah, but Tim, imagine going through Children of Men. We sustained ourselves because we also had these roots of like, we watched a movie, we grew up with a movie, and it influenced different things we did, and we connected it to our own personal stories. What about Space Jam? Did someone do that? Oh, you want to? Let's do it. Space Jam Minute. It's coming out of the project. Space Jam, 2018.

22:49Space Jam's in the house. Space Jam Minute. We got to think of a cool name for it. Space Jam Minute. Oh, yeah. Space Jam Minute. I would do Space Jam, though. Moron Minute. Just look at that nasty animation. You gotta look up for that. Moron Minute. Moron Minute. Yeah, like Moron Mountain. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. And basically, how it's going to work is we're going to release the introduction episode. Talk about it for a long time. It'll be an hour. Then we'll release episode one, and then Crickets. And it'll be on one of those abandoned podcasts. That would have been a good April Fool's joke. Yeah. Space Jam. There we go. Oh, we got a better one. Come on and slam. There wasn't another movie we could have done. But I'm just saying that's what I think helped. Is that whole backstory. Do-do-do-do-do.

23:29Do-do-do-do. Come on and slam. Do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do. If you wanna jam. What do they say? Come on and slam. If I gotta... Imagine going to the credits scenes. I always thought they said encore. What do they say? It's like three minutes of... I don't know. Stupid lights shining. Shining? Shining. Shining. Shida. Okay. Well, let's just talk about the minute. Come on. Yes. System fails. System failure. That's it. That's been in the name of my new band. System failure. That's gonna be hard to Google search. That will be. Well, maybe if you just write bandit at the end, I guess it'll be fine. And we get the codes. And it does the same camera move in like the... That beginning of the film.

24:09Yep. Go through the codes. I gotta say, I love when it goes into the hallway of M&F, if you will. So, system failure. Two words, right? Space in the middle. The camera zooms into that space. Yeah. So, it's the hallway of M&F. And we got the toasters. The toasters. Yeah, you're right. These are the toaster... The toasters, yeah. What are those called? Those wires. Yeah, the wires that heat things. Those toaster wires always scare me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I've learned not to put any metal object in there. I have as well. I mean... Oh, yeah. That's true. That's true. Not first-hand experience or anything, but... But, yeah. Oh, you didn't touch it. I mean, I don't know. I'm like more Neanderthal with those things. Just like, eh, get the toast out.

24:51Well... What I do, I like, just like, spam the, you know, the side handle. So, it pushes it up, pushes them out. Just like... That's true. You can spam it. I make them pop. I make them fall out. Well, that's what I do. If the toast is stuck in there, or if you're using bread, if you're toasting bread, and the shape is irregular. Fat bread. Is it irregular? Exactly, yes. And it's stuck in there, and then you just... Then you spam the slider, and you try to get it. Yeah. Sometimes you spam it too hard that it shoots up in the air. Yeah, yeah. Then one of them just shoots up and then falls into the floor. Yeah. It's done. It's over. It's the opposite. When you get, like, a baguette, and you put, like, sliced baguette, and so there's two tiny, so you can't pull them out with your hands, because it's too hot. You don't want to stick them in the object. I use a wooden stick. I use a wooden stick. I use a chopstick.

25:31Oh, good. Oh, really? I just totally spam it, and I just, you know, like, one of the hundred times I spam the spring button, it'll just fly out. Wow. So, you're shortening the lifespan of your toaster. I elegantly take a chopstick and just kind of... You're the most elegant. I take a wooden spoon. Get out. Get out, you. You piece of bread. You're mine. I'm going to eat you. Speaking of which, how do you guys like your toast? Medium. I don't know. Just medium, yeah. I like them, like, almost black. I like that. I really like all the... You just charcoal. I like it really dark. I just don't want the cancer inside. That's the thing. That's the thing. I know about that. Yeah. I mean, it's not like I...

26:11I don't go an insane amount. Give me the cancer. You guys toast cancer. Oh, man. The new cancer. Only Phil has it. Because he eats a lot of doctors. Black toast regularly. My Wikipedia. No, I won't even have a Wikipedia at this point. But, like, cause of death. Toast cancer. Toaster cancer. Just one step up from testicle cancer. Testicle cancer. I don't think it's a testicle. There's a visual word. Testicular cancer. There you go. That's the one. Yeah. Well, I can just think about it. That's the worst way to go. Yes, Phil. There's many bad ways to go. Cancer anyway is the bad way to go. No. It's cancer. It sucks. No, because here's the thing.

26:53Well, that's not good. It's a sad topic. Because when people are reading about you later on, they're going to be like, oh, testicle... I don't mind. Philip, no one's going to do that. What? No one's going to do that. Who cares? It's sad. Exactly. It doesn't matter if it's in your balls or your head. It's still sad. Exactly. You die from a disease. But people would snicker. You can't stop. No one. Who does that? Who snickers? It's some idiot. Some terrible... Those are horrible people. Right. Why do you care about that person? You're dead. Yeah, I don't care about that person. But even if... No, but even if that person was snickering, you should not have the people in your life who snicker at... Smack that person and say, hey, still cancer. Exactly. No, I absolutely agree. Unless it's toast caster. Then you can snicker. Okay, enough of this. Sad. We're going through the hallway, the toaster hallway.

27:34Yes. And then after we go through the toaster hallway, then we zoom out. We sneak out. We sneak out of one of the... What are these even called? Holes. Yeah, holes in the phone. Phone holes. But I always wondered, on a phone, there's the top bit, right? Which is on your ear. Yes. That's the what? It's... Ear part. And then there's... And then there's the speaker part. Well, there's the receiver and there's the speaker, yeah. There you go. Receiver and speaker. That's nice. I think those are the official words. But you have to admire the digital... It's great. ...movement. Because it's seamless. And it's... The actual camera movement going back. Yeah. Yeah. It's very beautiful. So it goes in and then goes out of the phone.

28:14Yes. And, you know, nowadays, I saw a trailer of Ready Player One. And, you know, that one shot where, you know, the kid, you know, the whiplash kid is putting down the goggles and the camera's like going into his vision. Like, you can tell it's a CG double. At one point, it transitions to the CG version of the kid because the camera's going into his goggle vision. I'm kind of lost. I've only seen the trailer in the cinema once. That's all I've seen. In the trailer, it's like very... Clearly, obviously, it's a CG double. But that's what they would do now. You know, they would make a CG version of the phone and then they would have... Rubbish. And, you know, they would make it...

28:55The movement would be more natural and 3D-ish. But this is like you don't even think about it. This is great. That's the point. 2D. Don't think about it. Yeah. It's a 2D effect. Then Neo looks at the phone. He gives it a good look. Yeah. He gives it a good look after saying, you know... He's thinking, where we go from there. That's great. He can see the little toaster codes and he's afraid of them, you know, so they don't zap them. Oh, that's right. That's why he's looking at the phone because he can see the code. Oh, he can see the toaster codes. You can see a system failure from the other side. Just through the wires. I never even thought about that. That was a waste of a call. No one's listening. Interesting. Storyt again. Listening. Okay. Interestingly enough, let's talk about what Neo says because we missed that one.

29:35Right. We were just talking about what we see. Well, he says... A bunch of new age bullshit. A world without... New Babylon. A world without rules or controls. Without borders or boundaries. Without bound. I mean... Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Again, I think... It's so generic that it kind of loses a specific meaning. It's just like, oh, we're free now. I'm going to show them. Yeah. This is a feel good moment for the audience. So they're like... I know, but... It's a general... It has a general meaning, but I don't think it has a specific meaning to me. Even to the listener. It's just like, yeah, you know, he knows everything and he's going to show it to her.

30:15Like, that's the point. Okay. I don't think the words mean anything specific. At least to me. That's weird because me... Yeah. And I think my dad also told me about... Was talking about this as well. After we watched the film for the first time. Right. Is that, you know... Neo is now going to start breaking all the rules in the Matrix and have people freed and have... You know, have a new Matrix utopia. Really? Yes. Yeah. It's hard. It's really hard to picture anything since we've seen the sequels. I mean, I might have had a different interpretation of what will happen next when I was, you know, a child watching this and hearing those words. But I honestly can't recall, you know. Well, now... I'm just... Yeah.

30:55Well, now... Now? Now we're going to... Now you're going to be able to talk about that because I'm very, very interested in hearing what you guys were anticipating for Reloaded. Oh, God. Let's finish this. So basically, I said... He has a speech and like I said, like Tim was saying, I think that you can basically take away... His pride. It's sort of like a nice summary of all these different interpretations of the film and these journeys. And you can sort of kind of put your own... Your own meaning, I guess. Your own meaning, yeah. Yeah. Because it works for a lot of different...

31:36Interpretation. Well, I think if you put one and one together, or one and two together, or whatever you want to say, Neo is just repeating what Morpheus is doing. Except now that he's the one, he can perform the miracles that people will be more... That's the thing, yeah. It's sort of like that. It's sort of like, you know... That's kind of the most literal way to interpret it. Yeah. I think the point is also, again, you know, like I said, you can read it different ways. And so this could be like, you know... Because Neo dying and coming back to life, right, is again, the Jesus story could be one way or different ways. And this is like a new era is entering, right? This is like a historical thing that happened, so to speak. Yeah. There's many ways you can look at it. And so this is important because now Neo is basically saying that he's, you know, like

32:19showing the world a new way to live. Yeah. But that's speaking to the audience. He is speaking apparently to the Matrix itself right now. So what is Neo's... What's the agenda here? You mean like... What's the agenda for Neo? Is he just like, you know, showing off? Yeah, yeah. Showing off. Is this more... Well, he's about to fly in this minute, so... Spoilers. Could this be like the first time he's in after a while? Yeah. He's been training. We read about that last time. We said this was two and a half years. No, a year and a half later. Yeah, that's our... So they might be doing a lot of stuff or they're just chilling for a year and a half. And he comes in after all the events.

32:59You know, after all the events. Yeah, they can't go back. Neo's not gonna... Neo, you can't use your superpowers in the real world. Come on. Help me put these tiles back on. Yeah, Neo, get me a screwdriver. But I just turned one. I can fly. Not in here, you're not. In here, you're still a... You can have the construct for a second. Yeah, in here, you're still a greenhorn. Come here. Come on. Yeah. It's only three of us now. That is true, though. I mean, like the practical sense of Neo doing stuff, I never really did. I never really thought about. So I don't know. So I don't know. I guess it's like a threat. I mean, I think it's more to the audience, really, as to the Matrix. Oh, of course. It's 100% to the audience or 90% to the audience because we're all... Like, if the movie works, you're into it. And you're like, yes, whatever you say, Neo... Basically, like you said, it's sort of like a threat and it's sort of like a watch out

33:41kind of moment. And he says, like, where we go from there is a choice I leave to you. That's an interesting line, actually, when you think about it. Because what does he mean by that? Maybe that's why he's doing the call. He's like, well, we can go the hard way, but maybe if you want to come halfway, we can find agreement, Mr. Matrix. Wow. That's pretty prophetic, considering what we're going to talk about later. Yep. He's just establishing communication instead of hiding and running from it because he doesn't have to. Right. That's a good way of looking. I never thought about that. Wow. Clever. Remember when we first met Neo? Loser. He's just like, no communication with anyone. Wow. And look at him now. Making peace treaties. Look at him now.

34:22Making peace treaties. That's so interesting. Peace treaties over a pay phone. In a pay phone. In the corner of the city. I mean, before we get to the money shot, it's interesting. I know a lot of people like to drive the peril to, oh, you need to wake up from the modern society. You're just going to your job, doing what they tell you, wearing your suits. And, you know, ironically, when we look around, you know, Neo's surroundings in the big city and everyone's just hustling and bustling to their jobs and their suits and their little jackets and everything. So it is. And he's the one that's awakened. You know, he is the one. Yeah. He's just looking at everybody else. He's not a slave to the system. And he's looking at them like, look at them.

35:03Look at the poor fools have to go do their jobs and look at their Facebooks. Well, Facebook wasn't there, but you know what I mean? And I'm not really a big fan of that because, you know, it is a bit, a bit, I don't know. It's holier than thou. A bit too judgmental, you know, like to be sort of like, oh, all those people are sheeple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. But it's not on the nose here. It's more in the background. So that's good. You know, even whatever your opinion is. It's not on the nose until Raging Guns and Machine starts playing. Yeah. Shouting at you to wake up. But that's okay. It's pretty cool. But it's pretty cool. So Neo looks at the phone a little bit. Right. We mentioned that. And he puts it down.

35:43He just hangs up. And once he does that, wake up by Raging Against the Machine starts playing. It is beautiful. I can't believe how fitting it is. I love it. I have to say, like, I was wondering about this and I don't want to get into any conversations, but I wanted to say that I think that it works. Because I'm trying to think because like now I'm questioning myself as I get older. Is this just a generational thing? Because... Are you going to be saying old man things? Yes. Well, no, I'm wondering... Like they don't do songs like that anymore? Like that kind? No. No, guys. No. Okay. Good. Good. Okay. Come on, guys. That's not fair. Continue. It's if...

36:23I want to say this. I want to say that I'm wondering now, you know, getting older is like, is this just something that we, you know, loved and that we liked and we associate with like being cool and things like that? Or does it actually still work? Like if someone new watches it who, you know, isn't very interested at all in rock music, will they also have the same kind of feeling like, yes? Or will they just go like, oh, yeah. Okay. Well, I can vouch for this. Okay. Okay. So, uh, this, this happened six or seven years ago. Go on. Maybe six or five years ago. Uh, there's a friend I know who is just like, what, 14 or something like that.

37:06And she was asking me about the Matrix. And I said, what, you've never seen the Matrix before? And he's like, no. But my friends keep telling me to watch it. And I'm like, okay, this is what the Matrix is. And I give her, you know, uh, like that old classic guy with the glasses in five seconds, the Matrix. And it's just the Matrix in five seconds. And it's just Neo going, oh, whoa. And that's it. And she's like, that's not funny at all. You know? And I'm like, well, no, just watch the Matrix. Watch, watch. And then like a day or two later, she comes back and she's like, I watched the Matrix. It was so awesome. It's the best thing I've ever seen. So. Was there any specific comments about Rage Against the Machine? Oh, no. Okay. Well, that's what I'm talking about. I can't do that. But I like. Great example. But I think like kids, but I think kids, if they have something that feels off to them,

37:48especially at the end of a movie, because they can't, uh, really, you know, like they just don't have the patience for thinking about the beginning to, to the end. So they would obviously see, except for that song. Those are lame songs. That's what I'm wondering. Yeah. But here's the thing. Here's a, here's a heart fact. Uh, when this movie came out, the song was. It's a rock fact. This, uh, this song was about six years old. This is true. Yeah. It came out in November, 1992. Yeah. So, um, you know, like imagine it is, it is a funny bet because, you know, maybe it was a classic at this point. Maybe it wasn't because try to put an eight, it's like a six, seven year old song in a movie right now. Like that, that will never work.

38:29You either put like a vintage song or a- But I think it's testament though to Rage Against the Machine's, um, music basically. Yeah. And I think we mentioned this as a trivia at one point at a time, but I read somewhere that once they heard that album, they're writing on the script and that's like the first song they had picked. Like that was ever since the beginning, Rage Against the Machine was like put there. This is at the end. It seems like it because these guys are big fans. Yeah. But I mean, I think one thing, I don't know if this is obviously subjective, but I feel like over time you do sort of parse and find out which albums stand the test of time in the sense of like, you can go back and listen to something that you might've been into, you know, 10 or 15 years ago and go like, yeah, that's still really good. You know what I mean?

39:09Because some things don't age that much. Well, it depends, of course. It's subjective. What was the recording? What was it? It was a- 90- Sonic. 101. No, it was a sound studio. It was just Sound City. There we go. Yeah. Sound City, man. That album was recorded in Sound City. That just reminds me all the time. Whenever you say Sound City, it sounds like a really crappy place because of Bounce City. It is. It is. It was. It was like, it was very like, it wasn't state of the art or anything. It had a state of the art Neve aboard. That's true. Dave Grohl was all crazy about. Go watch Sound City by Dave Grohl. Yeah. You get some info about this album. But a funny, another trivia bit that Wake Up on the, you know, the first debut album

39:52from Rage Against the Machine that it came on. I don't know if this is true. Maybe this is like Urban Legend. But like, that's one of the records that, you know, when somebody builds like a sound system, that's what they put on to hear the good quality. That's the music. Let's keep going with the music because I wanted to say that Don Davis made a whole little suite here. Not suite. Like a movement. A, how would you call it? Like a song? You can't say song. Musical piece here instead of Rage Against the Machine. That's right. Oh, really? Yes. Wasn't it on the DVD? No, no, no. Was he slapped in the face and rejected? It's on the score. Rage Against the Machine. Yeah, I think that was the case because it feels like in case Rage Against the Machine didn't work,

40:33in case they couldn't get the rights, at least Don Davis made something here. And what was interesting about this is that it's on the score. And it was interesting when I was listening to the score for the first time when I got the album in 2002, I was at the end and I heard the cue where it's like, you know, when it goes, a world without you, without, you know, the choice I'll leave to you. And it goes, and when it does that, it goes, but in this one it went, you know, it's like the music. I'm going to listen to that. I can actually just put it on the video. There's no audio anyway, except for the music on this one. So I would assume that the audio for that one would be in the music. But here's the other funny thing. I like it.

41:14It's very operatic and cool. And it's like a conclusion. You know, that kind of stuff. I used it at the end of our Matrix films. Did you know? Yep. First, first Matrix one. Yep. Yeah. And I also, this score features in the concert version. So if you watch the concert version of the Matrix, you know, the whole score being played live with the screen. Was this like a tour or something? Yeah. That's still going. No way. Yeah. Oh yeah. Can we go? They don't have Raging as a Machine. They have the score. Win tickets to come with us. So listen to the Matrix live.

41:55I would love to listen to it. You know what, guys? I was complaining for like 500 million years. That's a long time. About those live concerts and why they have sound. You remember? Like I said, they have sound effects. Yeah. Sound effects and dialogue. Specify. Yeah. Sound effects and dialogue. And I complained. But then I remembered, sometimes movies have quite a few minutes with no music. And then what are you going to listen to in the concert? You listen to Don Davis saying, I was born in 19. Yeah. Wait, but they play the whole music and it's just nothing at the moment? No. I wanted it like that because I wanted to just hear the music. But then I was thinking to myself,

42:37if you're in a concert, if you're in a concert and you're actually watching the whole film, the moments without music are going to just be quiet. What are you going to do? Oh, you watch the whole movie like that? Yes. That's brilliant. I thought it was just selected clips. Nope. Oh, sweet. The best stuff. We should go. Yeah. I just don't know why we have to listen to the sounds though. Because we were watching the movie. I know, but I'm so torn. I want to hear the live orchestra. I want to hear the music, the nuances. Well, you need to ask for them to make another tour with just music. And cut out all the silence. And no video. Or, let's fill on the concert every time someone starts like, shh,

43:17shh. Yeah, it's just fill every single time telling them, shh, no, no, guys, stop. That'd be amazing. But yeah, so, I would like to go to one of those concerts. Would you? Yeah, that'd be fun. They did a Lord of the Rings one, I think. I'm not sure. Would you go to that one? The whole 12 hours? What would be the one? The poor guy's playing. What would be the one main, the movie you want to see with a live orchestra? I would like to see some Danny Elfman stuff, because he's got a pretty, like, wild orchestra with, like, lots of sounds and things. Yeah. That could be interesting.

43:57That'd be interesting. The old Elfman. I think, Hansi, Hansi, like, the gorgeous music. What movie would you want to see, Phil? Live. Lord of the Rings. Mm-hmm. Lord of the Rings. Ha ha ha ha. What? Star Wars. Oh, that'd be cool. They have great sound. They have a great score. Lord of the Rings, because, because, like, Lord of the Rings was, you know, like, I think Lord of the Rings would be the most magical, for sure. Because it was designed, like, designed to sound like an opera, and, you know, it was all acoustic, so, it has, it has, But I would rather watch, like, listen to, like, an orchestra, like, like, like a, you know, like an hour and a half, like, go through all the, like,

44:37motifs, you know? Not like watching a movie. You're right. I would probably want that too. But that sounds like an interesting stage. Just like sit down, close your eyes, I mean, both are good experiences, but, I'm saying one would be interesting. The other would be interesting in a different way. Mm-hmm. So, after Neo looks at people and says, oh, the sheeple. Yeah, can we just talk about the people? Yeah, yeah, I want to talk about the people. So, the first guy, the first prominent man, Yeah. is, when Neo pangs up the phone, on the left side, this guy is straight out of 1953. Yep, he's a detective. He's also a detective. There are many detectives in the Matrix City.

45:18He's, uh, putting, clipping his folder binder thing. Yep. Documents. We see other people. We see a sort of mafia looking guy with a black suit. We see a woman with 2000s sunglasses. An English man. I want to, I want to put particular emphasis on the guy with the ponytail because that guy has been bothering me. This guy? Yes. The English man? Why has he been bothering you? He's been, every time I, what's wrong with him? Because every time I think of the ending, I think of that guy. Well, that's your fault, not the ponytail. Look at him. Does anybody notice him? Because I've seen him forever and he's just, just as Neo is leaving the booth, just as Neo is leaving the booth, right behind him, in clear as day. He's a confused old man. He basically does a whole 360 around Neo.

45:59He follows with the camera. He has white and gray hair in a bun, like a ponytail. He, he kind of, yeah, and he has glasses and a suit and he looks over and he's like, Phil, think of me. Yep, there he is. Phil thinks of him all the time. And there's a woman wearing black who's going to a funeral. And there's the ponytail man. Do you see him? Dude, the ponytail man has such a, I told you, that extra, that extra, that extra must have loved him. milking him. He's like, I'm in the matrix. I'm in the end of the movie. I'm basically the star. Yeah. He follows like 180, like around. And then he goes on the side

46:39and you still see him. Yeah. And there's a, there's a cool looking lady with a bun hair. Yeah. She has 2000s hair. Ah, yes, yes. And, uh, I just wanted to mention where this is filmed. This was filmed in the, uh, Southeast corner of Pitt and Hunter streets at O'Connell street, which is a block North of Martin place. And, uh, this is all in Sydney. It's like downtown Sydney, like center. That's awesome. Uh, in 2005, when I had Google earth, I actually went to Australia to look for this building formation. Cool. No, on Google earth. And, uh, and without any help, I found the area

47:20because of the building formations were quite unique. Oh yeah. Cause we get some Google, Google earth, Google maps images after this. So I want to, that's right. I wanted to mention the, uh, the, the camera movement that happens at the end. It's one shot with Ridge against the machine and the way it's, the way it moves is quite nice cause it dollies in and it maybe zooms in a little bit to Neo and focus player had a great job. Yeah, it does. And it zooms and it also comes closer because the depth of field is pretty, pretty wild. There's quite a few, uh, you know. And guys, another interesting thing is remember, like I mentioned,

48:00contrast, the beginning and the end, night, day. That is true. It is nice and noony. Yes. Long shadows. No mystery. I mean, this is, yeah, this is like a very, you know, good sort of day. Yeah. Bright day. But it's nice. It's not, it's a bright day. There's no fake, you know, fake lens flare. Or something, or like, like, that's what I like about it a lot is it's subtle. I think we sort of like slowly got used to this towards the end of the film and it wasn't just like a cheesy, like you said, you know, look. by the way, did you ever notice that bus in the background? The bus? Not really. It's just standing there,

48:40really. The standing bus. It is the standing bus. The standing bus. And he looks up. So, so Tim, Jake, um, eventually, you would probably want to go to Sydney. Yeah. We have to get to this, this place. We shouldn't take photos. Flash photos in the day. Get a drone. Can we do that? And film. Do you think the booth is available? Let's wear 2000s clothes. Yep. And bring, you know, bring our phones and just play Rage Against the Moon. Stand there and worship just to pray. Oh, Rage. You've given us this moment.

49:22So, Keanu's close up here. He looks up into the sky, which is a curious thing. He does. Yeah, he's, he's planning his, his route. He's planning his ascent. Yeah, but we don't know this. We don't know this. No. Ascent. Yes. Thank you. Um, I was just going to mention, how would you feel if Morpheus was out, you know, flying with him? No, no. And Trinity was there as well. You know, they're just in the crowd as well. Well, if he flies away, it doesn't make a lot of sense because then like, oh, God damn it. We have to walk. But if he just stayed there, then he'll be fine. But just imagine that, but just imagine that shot, that, that,

50:02that shot that we got, with the Bridgerton's machine, there's Morpheus waiting out the phone booth and Trinity waiting out. That would be fine as long as he doesn't fly away, you know. Why aren't they there? Because he flies away. This is his own solo mission. They're, they're, they're like in the car. Ah, yeah. Waiting in the car, two blocks away. Yeah, where he flies to. Did you know that they, No, imagine them on a helicopter and as Neo flies away, there's a helicopter. Jeez. Jeez. That's a Rennie Harlan. That's a Rennie Harlan. I make the Matrix worse. Yeah, Rennie Harlan. For a final time. Yeah, Paul Thomas. No, not Paul Thomas. The other guy. Paul W.S. Anderson moment. Yep. Did you, sorry. Did you know that they digitally, presumably, took out the,

50:43how'd they do that? Look, there's no camera, nothing in his glasses. Jay, Oh, if you know how you do that, you do that with different camera filters. Optical filters can, seriously, can reduce the amount of, uh, reflection on, polarizer. Yes, it's true. It's very cool. Cause look, I don't see any camera. But you do see a reflection, so maybe it's, you know, behind the jacket. Yeah, you can see someone's hand, like, reaching out. Oh, you're right, I see someone's hand. Holding a boom mic, probably. Yep. I want to buy a boom mic. But anyway, it's nice and subtle, and you don't notice it, and it's great. And you wanted to mention, um, what's funny? Me buying a boom mic. No, also, and Jake, just like, just completely like, oh, there it is, it's ruined. Actually, it's fine.

51:24Well, that's, this is why I keep my mind open. I change my opinion. Yeah, yeah. It's good. It's good. In mid-sentence. I'm just thinking out loud, I'm, I'm gonna miss us just analyzing film frames now. Yep. It's a strange, we need a, we need a, like a montage now of us. I think it hasn't sunk in yet. That's the problem, you know, now it hasn't sunk in, like, this is the last episode. Yeah. Like, oh yeah, last episode, whatever. And then we'll realize, like, crying in bed. Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say that this was a, this was a, yeah, this is a great opportunity for a montage of, of us thinking of all the great, you know, bits like when we found the old man in the sewer. I guess I remember that well. That was a good bit. It was, it was, by the way,

52:04that was a weird day because we recorded that, like, early, or our standards. It was daylight outside. Hey, let's, let's just reveal everything. We always record, usually, like at around 9 to 10 p.m. Yep. Well, I would say anything post 8, basically. So that's, yeah, those are our regular recording hours. And I usually go mental because I wake up six ish in the morning. So by the time we get to the second or third, I'll be just like, uh, kill me. Exactly. And, uh, and when we record our sessions, we always have, like, we do three at a time. We do a week's worth. Yeah. But now we don't have a week's worth. This is literally us just doing the last episode today. What other secrets are there?

52:45We sometimes recorded earlier, mostly due to guests. Yes. That was very rare. Special, yeah, special times. We usually always magically timed it again with 8 p.m. plus. Yeah, we always kind of give them, but it worked. Yeah. Yeah. And what else? What other secrets are there? Three, three episodes a week. I mean, like, I stand up when I record. I've always been standing up. I think this is a, no, no, not always. I think this is like a secret that everyone knew, but basically Phil and Jake are one location and I am at the other location. We just usually call each other over VoIP. But you know, it's funny. I think that, I think it works out pretty well. I mean, I don't think it's too. I don't think anyone knows. Because I think also that our quality is similar. So,

53:25so we can fool everyone. Fooling may proceed. So that's, I think that's all the secrets. The cats are, all the cats are out of the bag. Yeah. Why not? No more cats in the bag. Well, we're all the cat duplicates. We're doing exactly what Neo is saying. He's doing showing these people what they don't want him to see. What they don't want to hear. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I always record in my clothes that I wear every day. Normally, I usually, I usually record in my pajamas. It's true. It's true. Tim, do you ever record anything special? I, most, I'll, well, unless it was summer, I usually just in my robe. I sit in my robe.

54:06No way. I have a beer and this is what I do. Nice. I didn't know that. That's cool. I should get a robe. I feel like a beer is nice to drink. Oh yeah. Let's reveal some of our things that we did. So we would sometimes drink, um, beers. Yes. Craft beers. You can probably tell by the quality. I really, I think you can tell the episode, whether we're drinking, whether we're drinking. Um, I have one to talk, something to talk about when it comes to alcoholic consumption as well. But okay. You want me to mention it now? Yeah, of course. Okay. Um, I mean, well, we had rum. I'll save it for later. Okay. No, no, no. For the next episode. I'll save it later. Later. I don't want to. Wait, quiet. Listen for the last, um, maybe like it was like two or three weeks ago.

54:48Yeah. Maybe, maybe two weeks ago. Um, we had rum. Jacob bought rum, Captain Morgan spiced rum to be exact. And I wanted to drink some when we were recording. That was a mistake because I started losing focus and I couldn't, I had a great time. I couldn't really like get to the point of what I was trying to say. And I, and it was just hard for me to just get a grip and speak. Yeah. And, uh, that was a disaster. And I, and I was like, no more, no more. Now I'm just drinking water. Well, I liked it. I had a great time. I mean, you know, it's the different approaches. Phil comes prepared and needs to remember things and everything. We come unprepared and we just need to talk. And alcohol is a great, uh, you know, butter for that.

55:29Yeah. Nice lubricant. Yes. By the way, I was going to say, Tim, this is also interesting that sometimes we, uh, but sometimes you had a beer and we didn't have a beer. You had rum or something or something strong. We might've had, or sometimes we reverse. Yeah. And I never knew which was which, but I guess that's a secret that we don't know. Yeah. And I'm just kind of disappointed that Jonathan partner Parker was never able to, he's one of the co-hosts of Batman minute, Batman minute 89, which they actually finished right now. Yeah. Sweet. They finished. Yeah. Nice. So same timing, same timing. I think we started at the same time too. Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. Well, that's, that's another thing to mention that, you know, if you do want to, if you know, you're interested in hearing our voice,

56:09maybe, you know, most likely Phil, me and Jake, we don't, we don't, we don't partake in such things, but Phil probably pop up, you know, once in a while and some other podcasts. I'm, I'm your guys's spokesman. I was on a Spider-Man minute. Oh, nice, nice, nice. Good. I don't think anyone wants me. It's okay. What do you mean? I don't think I contribute. I don't know. We could have always gone to some podcast, all three of us, you know, like just this clue. Yeah. We come in a bundle. We come in a bundle. It's either all of us or none of us. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine that six people on a podcast. Wow. Yeah. So I think, I can't think of any, I'll think of stuff after we finish recording, but whatever. I think we did the best. Jacob, we have Animatrix and Reloaded Revolutions.

56:51it's true. Oh yeah, And we have that potential. We can, we can, we can, sprinkle, sprinkle, sprinkle more secrets. Yes. Well, so we can finish what, what happens. He looks up in the sky and then we have a great three cuts and it's lovely instead of a zoom. Your moment. Yes. I wanted to mention the moment of Neo's closeup. By the way, we didn't even mention that his clothing is different. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like business Neo now. I don't know. I'd call it business slash casual. Business casual. So this is, this is a combination of, of Neo, the warrior and Neo, the greenhorn. Yeah. Who came in, you know, when they, do you know what this is? On that fateful day when they met the Oracle and everything that went wrong.

57:31This is a combo of the Oracle day and. Fighty. Killing machine Neo. Yeah. Yeah. Where, yeah, I think, I believe that's his trench coat. I don't think that's a, right. That's his trench coat. Totally. The same one. I don't know. Yeah. It looks like it. It doesn't matter, but it looks like he's wearing, he's wearing a black shirt, buttoned up. Yeah. That's the difference. Trench coat. Both made of cloth. Cloth. And his hair is more casual. It's more of a natural look. It's less gelled. Mm hmm. Yeah. And no glasses. Very washed. He looks very clean. He looks very like, you know, well rested. Yes. Yeah. Like he just got out of the shower, you know, half an hour ago.

58:13And no glasses, but then he puts the glasses on, looks up. And I wanted to mention, before he looks up, I noticed this, Jacob was surprised when he noticed, when I showed it to him, when I pointed it out. He does a little smile, little tiny micro smile. Yes, there's a smart smile in the world. Heh heh heh heh. Yes. They should have broke the four wall and be like, I'm talking to you guys. Oh. Don't be sheeple. Whoosh. Can you imagine him pointing? Don't be sheeple. Don't be sheeple. There's a, there's a trend of breaking the fourth wall in movies these days, after, ever since the big short. And some movies can pull it off, some movies don't. I didn't know that happened in the big short.

58:54That was one of the cool things that I wanted, you wanted to see, watch. Yeah. You didn't watch. I thought I was going to. I was going to, and then I saw. Things came up. Yeah, look at me. I remember how I was going really well with my Avengers movies, my Marvel movies. Yes. I was going really well. I was watching two movies a day and I'm still getting ready to watch Winter Soldier. I saw the thing. Winter Soldier. Winter Soldier. So you're saying there's a trend with the breaking the fourth wall? I thought it was just the big short. I thought breaking the fourth wall was only in Ferris Bueller. I don't know. I mean, like definitely I've seen a few serious Oscar movies where at one point they look at the camera

59:34like, oh, can you believe all this stuff? Or like, I'm talking to you like an ending thing. And what's your point? Nothing, just it would suck if it was here. It would suck. Absolutely. It'd be horrible. It would ruin everything. I mean, basically we don't know how to make this movie better. We know how to make it crappier. Oh yes. Of course. I mean, making the Matrix worse. One of my favorite moments of our show. We were more hard working with that segment earlier. I think we just lost it. We lost it. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Someone was saying we're breaking at the seams though you were saying? Yeah. Yeah. What you gonna do? here we are. I just don't feel like even doing research now. Okay, it's too much revealing now. Okay, stop.

1:00:14You go back and do research. We don't want the people to hate us at the end. I'm excited for Reloaded, but Revolutions is just, it just feels like, you know, like when you're like counting the days of your execution, I just can feel it. I mean, we don't have to watch them both at the same time and the same day. Well, no. Side by side, two screens. Just at the same time. Like, like what, like what, Mike Sikles and Rich Evans and Jay Bauman when they were watching all the Transformers movies at the same time? Yeah, handing the baton. So guys, come on, let's get to this. Okay, so 90 degree angle of Neo looking up. I love it. Yeah, top Google Earth view, very zoomed in at the start. How do they film that, by the way? That's a good question.

1:00:55Helicopter, plane, Google image. So still, I guess, I guess, you could just still it, you know, you can digitally stabilize it, the shot. Stabilize. Oh, maybe it's a satellite shot and it's just, it's just an image. Satellize. It is. Google Earth was going to be. But it's satellite shots. That's what Google Earth is. No, whether, but then look, the car's moving. Are they? No, everything is moving. Yeah. Those shots. then it's a plane. It's a plane. A UFO. Planes don't stand still. And you can't, how do you hook a camera to the bottom of a plane so you can afford that? You just screw it there and then you, and then you take a 4K image and then you crop it. It's a helicopter.

1:01:35I think that's more, yeah, I think that's true. Like it's a, okay, well, we'll, we'll do this. We'll say this. The first shot is from a building. Second shot is also from a building, a taller building. The next shot is going to be a digital composite of a still image with some, you know, CG or blue screen people. It's a miniature and they took a bunch of like fleas and make them move around and look like cars. They're like, move. See, because like, look, the third image, look, but you can see that, right? The third image. The third image is totally different than the other one. Yeah, like the first one is just the same thing, just a different zoom lens and then, and then like, and then it's just a cropped version of really the,

1:02:16yeah, there's two images cropped and then there's two images cropped. That's what's happening. Actually, actually, maybe that first image, the third image is something that they filmed from a, no, not a taller building. But the third, the third image is exactly the same as the fourth image. It's just cropped. That's it. Oh, yeah. Oh, good point. Very good point. You know, I don't think, I don't think there's much focal difference there, even if like from a helicopter or whatever. There's a lot of green going on though. Green color. Yeah. It's a, it's called digital green, Phil. Jacob. Thanks. Thanks. Didn't know. Oh God. That's good. And we finally get this big shot of the city.

1:02:58Top view. Yeah. It's clearly Sydney. And you think, you know, you're watching the movie, right? You're in the cinema. You're like, this is amazing. You scratch your shin. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. We all have itches. Good helicopter shot. You're like, this is great. This is amazing film. I'm so happy. Beautiful. Love this. And I love this shot. It's so cool. What's that? What's that man? What's that flea in the distance? It's coming closer. It's a bat. No, it's not a bat. It's Neo. Neo. Is he wearing the same shirt? Yes. He's a fly. He flies across us, right? Yeah. It cuts to black. And it says, written directly by the Chosky brothers. The Chosky sisters. With the music playing.

1:03:38Well, I know, but I'm reading the text. Yeah. They're not going to change that. Do you think they'd want to? I think they'd want to have that changed. I don't know if it hasn't changed. So the 4K, whatever thing is coming out. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. Like they were, they were brothers when they directed it. So why would you change it? Because it's part of the film. Yeah. That's, that's always my. But also they were male when they filmed the movie. You know, exactly. I think that makes sense. That movie was directed by the Chosky brothers, you know? Yeah. At the time. At the time. So I don't, I don't think that, I don't think they care. I don't think they care either. So Neo flies up, flies, when this is the magical moment, right? Where no one's expecting this. Neo flying. And, uh, yeah.

1:04:19It is good. And I remember my dad going, wow. Really? Yeah. Were you watching the movie or were you watching your dad the entire time? Just looking. Just in awe of this. But it's like, like, but you don't like, this is like the third instance of like, just upping the ante. Cause now he's flying. Yeah. He can do anything. It's the uppiest ante they could up. It's a little nineties. They couldn't up more. Now that I think about it, it's a little bit, don't you think it's a little cartoony? It's an obvious reference to Superman, you know? That's it. Oh, of course. It just doesn't look as good. I don't know. It's fine. It's quick. You know, it's quick and painless. Yeah. Yeah. You're quick. Quick and painless. I mean, to be honest, it's difficult to say looking at it now.

1:05:00It's definitely not as impressive and it's definitely not as something where you go, wow. Now. Right. I don't think it's necessarily bad. The effect shot isn't amazing. No. Unfortunately. The ripple effects. Yeah. The little ripple effects. He's breaking the sound barrier. I've been hilarious. It goes like Iron Man, just like. Flies through the sound barrier. it's such a good movie. Iron Man, It's pretty good. Let's do it. Also, the funny thing is, I know how they shot this. I think. Keanu, he was just standing there. Fans blowing in his face. Fans blowing in his face. And the camera is, yeah, the camera's dropping down. Yeah. I don't think the camera's even,

1:05:41is it? It has to. It has to. it's a bit 3D. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. That would be even worse. It wasn't. Just a static 2D. That would be like our, my blue screen work from 2002. Yeah, just, and you see, you see a square, you see a box around him. The lolly at the edges. Of the shadow. And that's it. I can't believe it. So, yeah, what do you guys say? Yeah, that's it. So, he flies away, and everyone in the cinema was like, yeah. Yeah, I wish I were there. I mean, because I remember when I saw it, it was, it was just the uppiest up. Yeah. And you're like, what? Cloud 9. Because then you start wondering like, what does this mean? You're like, where is he flying to? To another planet? Perhaps. No, I wasn't, I never thought where he's flying to. I just wanted to fly now.

1:06:22What are the implications? What is it saying? I can't believe, and we're done. We're done. That's it. There's just the credits. And we're done. It is, it is the end of all things. There's nothing more to analyze. The only thing we can do now is the 1996 and 1997 draft. Give it a little moment. I just wanted to say that before you guys press the stop button. Who's pressing the stop button? I don't know. No one's pressing the stop button. Philip, what? In the final episode? It's black. Whiz by. Turn it off. We're done. Okay, sorry. So we got some, do you have anything you want to say about the credits? What do you mean? I was watching the credits, and there were a few people that stuck out to me.

1:07:05Okay. Within the credits, our producer, Barry Osborne. He was the producer. That's right. One of the producers of this film. You might know Barry Osborne for being one of the producers for Lord of the Rings. So right after this, he went on to Lord of the Rings to help out on getting that sorted. Good for him. And he didn't do the sequels, and he didn't even work on The Hobbits. So he's just Lord of the Rings Matrix man. Yeah, he's just the OG guy. Yeah, he didn't, he didn't do the second and third Matrixes, and he didn't do... The Matrixes. The Matrixes. And he's, yeah, that's what I wanted to mention. James McTiege, McTig,

1:07:45McTig, I don't know how to say his last name. I think it's McTiege. McTig. Waterloo. McTiger. He was one of the ADs on this film, first ADs, and he became the primary first AD on Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions, and he had a very good working relationship with the Wachowskis, because he directed Ninja Assassins and V for Vendetta later on. That's right. Climbing the corporate ladder. And he also did the AD work for Star Wars Episode 2. Attack of the Clones. Who else? Then we have Joel Silver, who's, you know,

1:08:26the prime producer. Producer of Commando, Predator, maybe Total Recall, I'm not sure about that one, but Die Hard. Let's just keep facts. Die Hard, and The Matrix, Reloaded, Revolutions. It's funny because, you know, Commando has a character called John Matrix, and it's produced by Joel Silver. I think that's cool. It's a known fact that the movie title came from him. It's like, Guys, what about Matrix? I know of John. And then the other, the other interesting thing I found, a guy called Brian Cox as special effects supervisor. What's so special about Brian Cox? Yeah,

1:09:06what is special about Brian Cox? Because there's an actor called Brian. There's an actor called Brian Cox, who played, he played Hannibal Lecter in Manhunter, the first adaptation of the book. Oh, okay. And he also was a striker in... Oh, right. That Brian Cox. Oh, that's Brian Cox. Okay. Yeah. And then there's the cosmonaut Brian Cox. There's a lot of Brian Coxes. Yeah. Interesting. They ruled the world. And then we had the special effects guy. And then at the very end, and you know, it's playing Marilyn Manson's Rock is Dead is playing after. Oh, he did. He's a machine. Rock. Rock.

1:09:49Really? Sounds like Bragg singing. So that plays. And then after that, what plays? That's it. Then just the score. The score. But Marilyn Manson's song, Rock is Dead, came out at the same time as the movie, and it was used as a tie-in. Promotional. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Gotta promote some of these. I can't remember. Oh, yeah. That's a cool riff. There's a little synth part. I don't know the lyrics anymore. But it does have lots of sounds that are very Matrix-y. And it's the first song on the soundtrack as well, so it kind of puts you in the mood. It's good.

1:10:30It fits. And then at the end, then it goes back to score, and the score is the unused Don Davis thing for the ending. Cool. That's where you got it from. Or no, you got it from the soundtrack. Soundtrack. But yeah, same thing. That's interesting. You can listen to it. I'm going to make that. I mean, it's probably on YouTube anyway. You can listen to it on YouTube. And at the end, it says The Matrix. It actually says the title of the film. Really? In just career new font for some reason. Crazy. It just says The Matrix. And underneath it says, whatisthematrix.com? And then it says password, stake. Lovely. We tried this already. We tried this. This is all new. I know we tried. I know. Listen. Something changed? Listen. Yes, I thought we were going to the AOL website.

1:11:11I was confused for a second. Oh, okay. I see. I see. Because remember the AOL keywords back then? Yeah. Yeah. They tried to make their own web space. Their own web zone. Yeah, it didn't work. Well, anyway, the thing about password stake is that there was a little password hacking area in the matrix.com website. And you can actually put different keywords. Like, you can write Keanu or you can write Neo or something and then there will always be some kind of feature. We never got to see that stuff. No, we never got to see that. Yeah. And in stakes option, there was like a bunch of bonus things that you can look at on the website. Wonderful. The good old web. But it's so funny how it's now immortalized in the credits of the film. Password stake. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's immortalized.

1:11:52But the website's gone. So it's horrible. So you just wonder. It's okay. You know. Why stake? Why stake? And at the very end is the Joel Silver Pictures logo. The creamy silver? Yes, the creamy silver. I like that logo. Me too. And this was a Village Roadshow and Groucho 2 partnership film production. Guys, I can't believe it. Yeah. I can't believe it. We're talking about the credits. Yeah. It is done. It is finished. It's finished. It's finished. Wait. It's not finished. It's finished. Ah, there it is. Whoa.

1:12:32So before we wrap it up, let's, I think Phil had some 1996 goodness. Yes, I do. To unravel in front of our noses. That's great. That's great. Nice little nugget to end on. Yeah, so give us that nugget. Stuff it in our mouth. Do it now. Well, before he does that. What would you like? Johnny needs to sing a swan song. Johnny? Johnny's gone, unfortunately. What? No, no, no. Johnny has to play one last time. The jingle. Well, you know what? I think I have a mini disc player somewhere here. Okay. Cool, man. I had a mini disc player as well. Yeah, yeah. It's in one of these boxes. Wait. Okay.

1:13:17I'm just, okay. I got it. It's hard to find, I know. I got the mini disc, so I'm just going to take the headphones and put them up to the microphone and I'm going to hit play. Wow. Man. Nice. I mean, it's tinny. It's old. It's on its way out, but. Good quality on the mini disc. It still works. It's such good quality audio. Perfect. Pristine. And I mean, I'm guessing those headphones came with a mini disc. I mean, they're good, but they're not like amazing. They're not perfect, yeah. A bit too much on the high end, but you know. And did you like, that must have been fun putting the jingle on the mini disc. Yeah, you know, for safekeeping, you know.

1:13:57You know, as, as, yeah, as the marketized, marketized, no, as advertised, once on a mini disc, always on a mini disc. Exactly. And I think. Can't erase because it's a little plastic box. You can't even take them out of the box. How are you going to scratch a disc? You can't get it until you take it out of the box, huh? It's brilliant. It's perfect. That's engineering. I just, yeah, it's true. It's very true. Think of everything. Thank you for that. Thank you for sharing. You can now put your mini disc player safely away, tuck it away. Yeah. And for the next time you might need. I mean, we might need it for Reloaded. Oh, I threw it out already. No, I can't. Sad. Out of the window it goes. You can, you can bring us another player. I have a, I still have a record player.

1:14:39I think I put the, put that on there. Cool. And a classic CD. You know, so, so. Awesome. Good. Looking forward to hearing those. Yeah. So Phil. So me. Welcome to your final taste of the script for the Matrix Minute. Well, let's go into the 1996 script and see how things have changed since then. We're going to be back in the EMP blast. Let's see if Jacob can focus on this. I'm focusing. Interior, Interior overflow pit. ! A blinding shock of white light floods the chamber. Sentinels blink and fall instantly dead

1:15:20filling the pit with their cold metal carcasses. Did you get it? Yeah, I think. They died. His mind is on a field somewhere with flowers, but it's okay. I'm listening. Okay, so interior hovercraft. In the still darkness, only the humans are alive. And Trinity says, Neil. And his eyes open. Tears pour from her smiling eyes as she reaches up to touch her. And she kisses him. It seems like it might last forever. Fade to black. Now, fade in. This is the 1996 script, by the way, in case I didn't mention that.

1:16:00Computer screen. As in the opening, the cursor beating steadily, waiting. A phone begins to ring. It is answered, and the screen fills instantly with the trace program. After a long beat, we recognize Neo's voice. Ready for this? Yeah. I am, my body is ready. So Neo goes, Hi. It's me. I know you're out there. I know you're working as fast as you can to catch me. We close in on the racing columns of numbers shimmering across the screen. I thought I should call and let you know how things stand. We dive through the numbers, surging up through the darkness, sucked towards the tight constellation of stars. I know you're real proud of this world you've built.

1:16:42The way it works. All the nice little rules and such. But I've got some bad news. We realize that the constellation is actually the holes in the mouthpiece of a phone seen from inside. I've decided to make a few changes. We shoot through the holes as Neo hangs up the phone. He steps out of the phone booth, starts walking, wearing a long black coat and dark glasses. He passes a mother, dragging her little boy, who cranes his neck as... Neo takes off, flying into the air. And the boy goes, Mommy, Mommy! And Mommy goes, What? That man! That man flies! And Mommy goes, Don't be silly, honey.

1:17:23Oh no. Men don't fly. There's a rush of air as the boy stares up as Neo shoots overhead. His coat billowing like a black leather cape as he soars up, up, and away. The end. Wow. Do you know what's funny? I remember this. We found, we discovered this a while ago. Years ago. All you remember is this project that seemed a little boy. We were like, What is this? That's just, that's just a bad, bad ending. Don't be silly, honey. Yeah. Don't fly. But of course, And then the boy looks up again and he just, he's, Yeah. That's cool, actually, though. Yeah, yeah. From, from, from the boys perspective.

1:18:04without the talking to the mommy. Men don't fly. Yeah. It's so weird, the lines there, like, Mommy, Mommy, that man flies. That doesn't sound like something you can say. But also, listen to his, listen to what he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I like this little world you made full of rules and such. I'm gonna make some changes. Ha, ha, ha. It's just a, clunk. I like, it's like a prank. But I do like the shot of the camera looking in through the, Like, into his mouth. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Again, guys, I got lost at that bit. Oh, really? Okay, it's okay. I heard that. You understand what it was, right? Well, it's just, there's like a, there's like, like a bunch of holes. And the camera keeps going towards it. Yeah. And you see holes,

1:18:45white holes. And then as the camera goes closer to those holes. Why white? Because you'll find out. Because the sun is coming through them. Because then as you see through the holes, it's Neo's mouth going talking. Oh, it's reverse. It's flying out of the phone. Yes. Yeah. Yes. That's cool. That is cool. Pretty cool. Yeah. I should have done that. I guess then we would see Neo's mouth. That's not that cool. And I think it's a bit more hard to pull off, you know, in the old days, you know, CGI could handle that really easy peasy. So that was the 1996 version. We'd finished the script, you see. Yeah. But, you can hear the 1998 version, which is a little different. Okay. Just a little different. Okay. No theme song here, but let's do it. Yeah. It's a lot more mature.

1:19:26So it's the same as the 1996 one, even with Trinity going, Neo? And, you know, as she cries, I guess. I guess. I mean, I'm glad they didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. That chip in this one, she kind of tears up when Neo's awake. Oh. Oh. So, okay. So, so this is what Neo says in the 1998 version. Okay. I'm making the sound effects. Okay. So he goes like this. Hi, it's me. It's that again. Hi, it's me. Hi, it's me. What a great way to intro. It's like a YouTuber. Hi guys. It's me. I know.

1:20:06And this is, this is quite a bit longer too. I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I imagine you can also feel me. You won't have to reach for me anymore. I'm done running. Done hiding. Whether I'm done fighting, I suppose, it's up to you. I believe deep down, we both want this world to change. I believe that the Matrix can remain our cage or it can become our chrysalis. That's what you helped me to understand. That to be free, you cannot change your cage. You have to change yourself. When I used to look out at this world, all I could see was its edges, its boundaries, its rules and controls, its leaders and laws.

1:20:46But now I can see another world, a different world, where all things are possible, a world of hope, of peace. I can't tell you how to get there, but I know if you can free your mind, you'll find the way. Wow. And then we shoot through the holes as Neo hangs up the phone. Shoot. Never mind. Yeah. He steps out of the phone and slides on the pair of sunglasses. He looks up and we rise, higher and higher until the city is miles below. After a moment, Neo blasts by us, his long black coat billowing like a black leather cape as he flies faster than a speeding bullet. Okay. The end.

1:21:27So, but I... Both of those... It's interesting that... The last phrases of both of these scripts are references to Superman. Yeah. You cast in a speeding bullet and up, up and away. But I have to say that this conversation, it is longer, but it makes more sense. You have more context what the hell he's talking about. He is talking about this world without borders and everything and boundaries. Listening back, it always thought it's like, for some reason, it's like he's talking about the real world, but he's not. He's actually making an argument that, sure, this matrix sucks, but you know what? With me and you, we can make this a great place because now I can see it... You thought he was talking about the real world? I always thought I was talking about the matrix.

1:22:07I just never understood what the hell he was talking about. Yeah. It's vague. That's the problem. Yeah. The one in the final version is very vague, but this one is pretty clear. He's talking about the matrix. He wants to change it and he wants to make it a better place. And I remember Tim, you even mentioned you were saying how you always thought that he was saying that like, you know, maybe we can work together. Like, you know, we're not anymore running. Cut a deal. Cut a deal. Shady deal. Behind the alley. But this makes sense. He explicitly says this here. He's like, I'm not fighting. I'm not running. I'm not hiding. He likes it. The fight is up to you. You know, he likes what he can fly around. It's like, you know, let's have fun. Free these people. That's his message. Let's have fun. We can have fun.

1:22:48A world of hope and fun. Neo, the world of hope and fun. The home fun. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm interested. I'm glad that you guys thought that the 1998 version was, um, what did you think about that? Better. I thought it was just Jabba Jabba Jabba. Really? It's like a whole page and a half. It's just, Hey, it's me. I mean, I get what you're saying, but do you want like to see how it would sound like if the whole thing was there? No, no, no. But I just, in context, it's clear. Maybe it would work. I don't know. I don't know who said, maybe Joel Silver just came in and said, Jabba Jabba Jabba. I don't think we're saying

1:23:28that it's necessarily written perfectly. We're just saying that the information contained in that dialogue is clearer. And you can go, Oh, it doesn't have to be that long, but the last version could have been altered to make more sense, you know, to give you the message. The elements of saying like, Hey, you know, he's talking to the machine saying, it doesn't have to be this way. Because it's very different because this is, when you watch The Matrix, it's like he beat him and he's like being like, ha ha, I beat you. You cannot catch me and I fly away. Kind of, yeah. That's the 1996 one. Those rules and such. And it's very reminiscent of this. They went back to that again. How different is that? How funny is that? They went back to the rules and such. Because 981 is more like, you know, let's,

1:24:09I've seen what I can do. Let's, you know, let's make this a better, like, I don't know. I think it's a bit more serious. It's more mature. It connects with themes more. yeah. This one, the movie's more like, I beat you. Well, kids like it. The kids like it. The kids love it. That's the Matrix made for our kids. Yeah. Well, they love it. They sure do love it. I'm just saying. Rules and such. Rules and such. And with that, all I can say is, hey guys, what's up? So, Johnny was supposed to play us something at the end. Really? But Johnny, I don't know where he is. He's eating potatoes or something like that. So, I'll have to step in,

1:24:50obviously. well, you know, Philip, why don't you, why don't you, why don't you say a little goodbye or something to the folks while I replace Johnny. And put a little, I'll put a little background for you while you talk to the folks. Okay. Okay. Well, friends, I just want to say that all the listeners that have been with us since the beginning, thank you so much. Just, I really am thankful that you actually found it interesting and that our dynamic actually worked. I mean, granted, we, Jake and I and Tim kept, we're talking all the time when we were kids and we argue and stuff like that. So, we know each other fairly well. So, that wasn't much of an issue.

1:25:31But then again, what's great about this is that, you know, Tim, for example, he has, he comes from a different, like his tastes are different and Jacob and mine are kind of similar. At least they used to be more similar. They used to be, but now they're, we're a little more distant, but that's good because then it adds for more, more of a conversation. But I think it was always a two-sided thing where it's like we had our little experience with the Matrix, Tim had his little experience and we combined the experiences. You know what I could do? I could just thank all our guests that came on. We should do that too. But while you go and thank our guests, I would like to just say sincerely, thanks everyone for listening for real. I'm really happy for everyone who has been listening since the beginning.

1:26:12It was really great to have all you guys and I'm glad that you found us, however you found us and if you found us in the future, which means that we're in the past, which is normally how it goes, welcome. No. Did you see how you're not used to the ending I am? Welcome. That's right. Welcome in the last episode. Amazing. I wanted to say more like welcome and thank you for listening all the way since you found this podcast, if that's the case. We really appreciate that. I'm just really happy and I was glad that we were in this together and thanks for making us part of your routine.

1:26:53Exactly. Thank you. Thank you for letting us be part of your, you know, daily commute or morning or evening or, you know, maybe have time for you just to kick back and listen to podcasts and we're very honored that you picked our podcast to be the podcast that you listen to and hopefully have a good time. Yeah, we do this for free. Phil. But not for long. Remember when we were making a paid subscription. That's right. That's right. Lies. So yeah, we're definitely, we're really, we just are glad. Wait, that's a long song. Phil, get, Phil, read us. Ow! Let us honor our guests that were on the podcast.

1:27:33All of them. I was going to sing, I was going to sing Wake Up with Tim playing guitar. Oh, you want to sing, here you go. Wake up, wake up, wake up. That's my version. I need to get the lyrics. It's the more funky version. How do we start? Where do we start? Wait, you want to sing the whole song? Oh, you want, wait, wait, wait. Nah, I don't know. Let's try it. Let's just try it. Okay, okay. So, so I'm going to give you, I'm going to start from, do you know how to rap? Fuck, fuck stick. Okay, so can you hear this? Yep. I'm going to go from, I don't know what he sings.

1:28:19I don't know what he sings. We'll be here. We'll be here. Yeah. Trying to spread it, you're still never at it, the needle, I'll thread it, radically poetic, standing with the fury that they had in 66, and like he double a man, still didn't even assist, shit, Hoover, he was a body remover, I'll give you a dose, but it'll never come close to the rage, builds up inside of me, Okay, you can buy the full song on iTunes You can stream it on Spotify

1:29:01Remember how we thought it was Party Remover? Phil and Tim Covering Raging Against Machines I'll try to sing the guitar Okay, what did you say? Party Remover? Yeah Hoover was a body remover Oh, it was a party remover as well Oh, interesting They're talking about segregation And, you know Government taking out Political Are they still around? Are they still around? No Sort of They don't have any albums for the last 15 years But they do sometimes tour together But are they still like They want Christmas No, not together They just have sometimes tours

1:29:42But they don't write new music You know, Audioslave That was like three quarters of a That's true, yeah Audioslave was Raising the Machine Minus the singer Plus Chris Um, Phil Read our guests You were busy singing the iTunes hit The iTunes hit Rage Against the Machine He was a party remover That's the The song Party Remover by Rage Against the Machine Remove those parties It's a pretty People, it's a pretty easy riff to remember You just gotta Fiddle with the fingers It's not the heart of a song Also is drop D tuning

1:30:25For the kids out there Like actually Pitch wise Even with the song? Yep It's drop D Really? That's interesting It's pretty high Welcome to the Matrix Minute What is this? A podcast where we discuss the first What is it? That's just one of the Matrix Minutes That's true I hope this stays in our podcast Wow I think like all of this We'll have to delete it After one point Alright, well We want to thank our We want to stank our guests We don't want to stank our guests We want to stank our guests We want to stank our guests We want to thank all the guests That joined us Tim, play the song Okay, I'll play I'll play another song From the soundtrack The only other song That I know how to play Okay

1:31:05I hope I don't But I still Go Phil Well, I just wanted to say thanks And thanks to all the guests That we had on the Matrix Minute The first one was our wonderful cousin Stan Who joined us at the beginning Which was quite fun And I should, you know, probably link it I can't link it I don't know if anything This is going to be really long I just wanted to read the link I wanted to thank Stan Mearski Major Sky Cy Kelly Gary Roby Jr. Scott Carelli Patrick Willems George Hendrix Nyle McGowan Alex Thompson

1:31:47Seamus Hanley Crystal Beth Alex Robinson Courtney Coulson Drew Vosberg And Seb And of course Emma At the end Thank you all for Taking your time to Hang out and chat The Matrix with us Exactly And we were so glad To have you on the show And thank you so much For joining us You are all wonderful people And you've made our Podcast Ever so rich You enhanced our podcast Ever so rich By many, many, many, many Percentage points That's right And it wouldn't be the same podcast Without you guys So, uh With that said Is it said guys I'm Phil And Goodbye

1:32:28I'm Jake See you around I'm Tim And, um Catch you later We'll see you then I can get the last one.

1:33:16You get the last one. Okay, I'm stopping now. Yeah. But I promise I will do it for the art reviews of 2 and 3. Of course. Of course you will. Yes. You have to. Otherwise, it's bank. Chop, chop. I will. Chop, chop. Willy nilly. Willy nilly. We have to watch the films first. I will arrive. I will arrive in style with the drink in my hand. I have to watch. That's a big job. Yeah. I have to watch. Use my eyeballs. I have to pay attention.

1:34:02Chrysalis. What's that? What's a Chrysalis? Chrysalis. Check it real quick so I don't mess you up. What? Chrys? Chrysler. Like a Chrysler? Chrysalis. Chrysalis. Never heard of it in my life. I know. Wachowskis. They like adding silly words. Well, not silly. It's just that they're hard to remember. Oh, it's a cocoon. Archaic as well. Yeah, but let's see how it's pronounced pronunciation. Pronunciation. Is that how you say it? Okay. I don't want these white ones to scare me. You're racist. Yeah. No. Here. Chrysalis. Chrysalis. I'm done running. I mean, yeah.

1:34:45All I could see was its edges. All I could see was its edges. Edgets everywhere. Edgets. All I could see. All I could see was. I hit R2. Okay, ready for the clap sync? Oh, R2. Oh. Clap sync, okay? Three, two, one. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Let's do it again. Three, two, one. Okay. Ooh, late one. You want to just go? Yes. I want to go.

1:35:26What's Tim doing? What do you mean? He's just going, I want to go. I think Tim's practicing his new song. All right, let's go. It's called The Matrix Minute. Do it again. The Matrix Minute. A podcast where we discuss. Sorry, okay, I'll calm down. You do it again. I'll shut up. What are you doing? It's so annoying, Tim. It's like one of the most annoying things ever. I don't even know what the context is here. I don't know either. Stop it. We'll see you then.