Minute 11: “I just thought, uhm, you were a guy.”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00Welcome to the Matrix Minute, a podcast where we discuss the first film one minute at a time. Hi! Because it's a wonderful, wonderful film. I'm Phil, and I didn't know Carrie-Anne Moss was from Canada until we started doing this podcast. Hello, I'm Jake. And I also learned that trivia. Yes, I get to steal yours. I'm Tim, and do you people know that this is the first recording that we are recording after we published some of these episodes? Yes, that's right. The secret is revealed. So we actually had some feedback. That's absolutely right. The show has finally gone live, and this is the first time we're actually recording with the knowledge that it has been out and about.

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1:23There's extras. There's more. There's wonderful things. There's two bits and images and things Phil posts all the time. Yeah, that I post, because I love The Matrix. And I love just looking for different photos and promotional pictures. Yes. It's the secret that you're unearthing. Yeah, especially storyboards. Yes, as well, by Steve Scorch. It's great stuff. We are also on iTunes, finally. Yes, iTunes. And please, if you would be so kind or inclined, you can always pop on our iTunes and give us a little rating or review. It would be much appreciated. And we're going to steal this from Back to the Future Minute, which is done by Dueling Genre, co-hosted by Scott Corelli, who I've been actually talking to on Facebook. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Scott. Shout out to great Scott Corelli for that.

2:04And I have to say, Back to the Future Minute is really fun. You should listen to it, because I've been listening to it. I think I will. I think it's quite fun. But what they did is they said, we're going to steal this. They said that you write a review, and we're going to mention you in the next episode. So even though we have a buffer of around. A shadow of a shadow. Yeah. So we're going to mention you if you write a review. There you go. There's the. Bad, good, don't matter, but just give us five stars and write a really good review. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Let's put a little transparency here. As far as, you know, getting the podcast out there, having a good review on iTunes, it's actually pretty good. Because, you know, the little iTunes climbs a little ladder. It does climb a ladder. It pops up there for more people to see, and they're like, ooh. If we get more people hanging out, chilling out with us, that'd be more fun.

2:46Taking the chill pill. There's the blue pill, the red pill, and the chill pill. Which one is it? The red one or the blue one? Or the green one? It's the purple one. The chill pill. What? The pill goes into the. No, stop. This is getting weird. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But, in any case, we are absolutely happy to be able to do this now with the knowledge that the thing is going out. We have a five episode buffer, and episode five has been just uploaded onto the Facebook page. And so now you know how far ahead we are when we're recording. And in this case, we can accept guests. We can see if we can schedule some people in there. Talk with us about this phenomenal, groundbreaking film from 1999 that we love so much.

3:29And, uh, let's watch. This is a long intro. Let's get to what happens in minute 11. Please. Neo meets Trinity. He thought she was a guy. Most guys do. Neo notices her as she approaches him. She tells him, hello, Neo. Neo is baffled. She knows his name. She knows a lot about him. My name is Trinity. Neo remembers, the Trinity? The one that hacked the RRSD base? That was a long time ago. But she came here to tell him that she knows why he's here. The minute ends with her telling him he knows why he hardly sleeps. And that's about it. So in this minute, we get to the meat of the matter.

4:10And what is the meat of the matter in this club? In this hellfire club? Well, the first meat of the matter is that Rob Zombie transitions to a... To a Prodigy song called Mindfields. Which I always thought was very interesting watching the film because it's a great transition because imagine if Rob Zombie was playing. It wouldn't work so well. Yeah, I don't think Rob Zombie having Rob Zombie just like... This is great because I think it's great because it actually gets you to pay attention to the dialogue a lot better. That song. Let's focus on how this minute starts. And it's just Neo not having anyone to talk to. No. He's standing there. Well, he's... Remember he followed the White Rabbit? So he's sort of like now thinking like, okay, I'm in this club.

4:54Because of the White Rabbit. Maybe something will happen. Maybe I'll meet someone. Maybe, I don't know. And in the previous minute, I think we saw Choi and DuJer just hanging out. Yeah, they were hanging out in their own little friend group. They like abandoned Neo like in two seconds. They're like, oh, we're the bosses. We're sitting on the couch. And he's like... That's our hacker friend. I really want to know who hacked my computer. He's really good. Do you need hacking deals? I think he has a half-off thing going on now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Captain Crunch. Oh, yes. No, bring in Captain Crunch. Neo will even do better hacking jobs for you. He loves the crunch. He loves his crunch, Captain Crunch. He loves the crunch. His favorite food. So, Trinity approaches him. We know who she is from the beginning of the film. Right, we do, we do. And this is the first time she's actually...

5:34That is true. We realize now that she's not dead. No, she's back. And I guess the hint was that in the previous minutes, when Neo was looking at the computer and seeing the text, that was probably Trinity writing to him, which is how it is in the script in the 1996 and the 1998 one, which I have both of those, so we can make comparisons with that. Oh, you got a new one? Yeah, the 1998 one is the shooting script, which is not so different, but the 1996 one is quite fun to read because there's a lot of differences in there. As well as... That's the one with the heads exploding, right? Oh, and there's also... Yeah, exactly. Exactly. The heads exploding. So, Trinity comes in and says, hello, Neo, and he's like, you know, who are you? My name is Trinity. And now this phrase, this is just a little tidbit that I just wanted to mention, is that

6:15Trinity is also the moniker of the 1970 Western film called They Call Me Trinity. Directed... What? Is this... It's a film, it's from 1970, it's directed by Enzo Barboni, and it stars Terrence Hill and Bud Spencer. Everybody knows Bud Spencer, he's that big, gruff guy. I wish I did. Um, it's a spaghetti Western. Spaghetti. And, uh, the only reason I'm bringing this up is because Jake, you and I, we saw it on TV when we were kids. No way. Don't you remember that? Really? Um, the main character, he's like sitting in a, at a saloon, and then they're asking him, so what's your name, pilgrim? And he's like, they call me Trinity. And they're like, oh, right hand of the devil. Ooh, wait a second. And then the movie is also known as My Name is Trinity.

6:59That's the title? Yeah. So, this is... That's just something, because we thought it was an adaptation of the Italian comic Zagor. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't. That's just a weird factoid that I had, which is a, you know, correlation to what she says with My Name is Trinity. What about the part where he goes, you cracked the IRS D-base? What about it? What the hell is an IRS D-base? Well, the IRS has a database. That's the database. The Internal Revenue Service. That's right. Oh, okay. For some reason, I was thinking of the Irish, what is that? The Irish D-base? No, what is it? I don't know. What is the Revolutionary Front? What is that? Oh, the IRA.

7:40Okay, there you go. The IRA. What's the IRA? From the Troubles during Belfast Troubles? Yeah, I thought it was talking about IRA. Like, you know, like, you know, shooting kneecaps, that kind of stuff. The IRA database. So apparently, her notoriety has been so famous. That's why it's notoriety. Right, yeah. I think she's... And everybody knows about that thing where Trinity hacks the IRS D-base. Why can't they say IRS database? No one says database. I know. No one says D-base. Seriously? D-base, what? It's database. Database. Yes. Why is he saying D-base? Who says D-base? I don't know. 90s lingo. 90s lingo. He's been spending too much time on the chat rooms. Yeah. He's talking about a double base. The double base. Yeah. This story is actually kind of explained in one of the Matrix comics.

8:24It's a comic titled The Man Who Knew Too Much. Trinity says that was a long time ago. Is this the comics that I have? What does she mean by that? Probably. Yeah. Tim, you have like volume one and volume two of the comics? Yes. Yes, I do. I do have those. Which is another wonderful thing that the Wachowskis did back in the day. It's amazing. Here's a funny story. I don't want to like diverge too much, but there was a book fair that my dad's whatever Christian organization had like a booth in. So I went to help out. And then like after lunch, I went to like browse around. And I've never witnessed or like had contact like more adult comic books. You know, like I just saw like, you know, like, oh, funny strips about cowboys and like, you know, like little comic strips. And I was walking around and I found this one big book publisher and they had the Matrix

9:08comics, man. I was like, that moment was, and I couldn't afford them. It was just too much. It was like, oh, like there's no way I can pay for this. It was like, I don't have that kind of money. And I read the whole thing just sitting there. When did these Matrix comics come out? 2003. Okay. This is for the sequence. And then like seven years later, when I moved to Ireland, the first thing I did is went to Amazon and ordered the Matrix comics. I was like, Northern Ireland. I got to have them. Yeah, you do. The IRA. Yeah. They attacked you. Yeah. So that's in a comic that explains a little bit about her hacking. Trinity says she does, she hacks the IRS D-base a long time ago.

9:49What does this mean? A long time ago. Yeah. How long ago? Which was two. Five, ten years. What? Because should I go get the comic? Trinity's like 30, right? We're doing an explanation here. If you want, if you, if you have the. Okay. I'm going to go grab it. Which is a volume one or volume two? I don't know, but I know that the title is The Man Who Knew Too Much. All right. You guys talk. I'll be right back. Okay. So what else can we say? So was she a hacker in her past? Yeah. I think she was a hacker. It happened a long time ago. I think she was a hacker since her teens. She was hacking away. Yeah. Yeah. What else can we say? Had a life of hacking and crimes before being unplugged. Exactly. Yeah. Hacking databases or D-bases. And there's some dialogue here that they. Well, this is the moment where Neo is going to find out and is finding out what exactly

10:33is going on. Well, also like Trinity says she knows a lot about him. Stalker. Cyber stalker. Yeah, that's true. Could be cyber stalker. But then again, it also could be, you know, like recruitment, you know? Right. You never know. Because from the point of view of the unplugged, the red pills, they're recruiting Neo essentially. So I don't know. What if she says at the end, like, we're looking for. They're watching you, Neo. Yeah. Right now, all I can tell you is that you're in danger. I brought you here to warn you. So. Hmm. Here's the cool thing. I don't know if you guys mentioned because I was away running for the comics.

11:15But did you ever guys notice that when she leans in, he goes for a kiss? No, but I thought that they were basically like kind of slightly dancing. Yeah. Kind of. What? No, no, no. Because he goes really close and he goes like, are we going to make up? What? Really? Like, okay, watch. Watch closely as she comes in. Look, look. He goes for the mouth. He goes for the mouth. That poor lonely boy. And then he turns a little bit like, it's like that. He's a little bit like surprised. Like, why is she coming so close? With this awkward silence. It's amazing. So whenever. That's what I always thought. So whenever I watched this film, it mostly came out. Oh, yeah. He does look really confused.

11:57Look at him. He turns to her mouth first and then he's like a little bit like, oh. That's a nice. That's an interesting. Never noticed that. I think that's great. Actually, to be honest. So again, like you said, I thought you were a guy. She's like, most guys do. That usually brings out a little chuckle among the audience that I've watched this movie with. So anything you want to say about that? No. I'm just guessing that it's like. Sexism. Listen. Mancipation. Look. We'll discuss sexism in a survival situation when I get back. Bingo. JP. Jurassic Park. Here's an interesting little story about this. The scene. I don't know if I talked about this last time.

12:37But I remember when my brother went to see it, this movie, for the first time. He went to the surround system. The legendary event. I think we talked about this. We've spoken about it. And the way he explained how amazing the surround system is that in this particular scene, he said the club music was as loud as in a club. You can still hear the dialogue. Ooh. I don't think it was the surround music because it's actually the mix. Because even if it washes on a crappy stereo, it still sounds that way. Yeah. But still, I was like, what? What is that? It's like magic. Yeah. You said, what is this? What is it? Yeah. What? What would it be? But that's the magic of, not just the magic, that's the strategy you do when you do sound

13:18design. You have to have a balance of quiet and loud to get people's ears attuned to the different volumes. I mean, this is a classic case. If you want to make an impact with the sound. This is a classic case of not, if the dialogue is so interesting and you're just focused on what they're talking about, the music usually in some situations gets toned down, super down, and background noises and the volume is brought up for the dialogue. In an artistic way. Absolutely. The way they do it is they massage. They massage you. To slightly go down without you noticing because you're just focusing on what's important. And the music transitioning in this case. Yeah. No one notices that. Who notices that? And then later, like, whoa, this is totally different. Yeah. So Trinity says, please just listen.

13:58I know why you're here, Neo. I know what you're doing. Are we in 96 group land? I know why you hardly sleep. Why you live alone. And why night after night you sit at your computer. You know, when I watched this a long time ago, I always felt bad for Neo because I thought she was making fun of him. Really? I thought it was like, night after night you sit at your computer. Pathetic. Pathetic little Neo. Chat and crunch. Like, get out. You get some sun. I thought she was saying. Get some. But it was more of the sense of like, you know, searching. But there's another thing here. Um, we're introduced to Trinity again. Now Neo is talking to her and she's again warning him about something that's going on.

14:40The mystery that is being unveiled, like, slowly making us more and more curious. Who is it? You know, like, that's what Neo's questions are. He's like, um, of what? And, you know, she's like, they're watching you, Neo. And he's like, who is? Yes. But she doesn't answer directly. This minute doesn't have yet the question about the Matrix. That's next minute. Not yet. But, uh, it's this sort of, um, I remember when I was watching this for the first time and for me, um, these things really piked my interest as I was, uh, going through the story. It's like, what is it? What is the Matrix? And we're going to talk about that a lot more in depth when we get to Morpheus. But in this case, it's again, stringing you in to be more and more curious, even though

15:25you're definitely locked in your seat, especially if you enjoyed that beginning opening scene with the agents and the curiosity surrounding how they got, you know, how they're crashing into a phone booth and how Trinity just escapes without even, uh, and wearing sunglasses at night and wearing sunglasses at night. And like in a phone booth, how does she do that? How does she do? I don't know. How does she do that? How did, where did her sunglasses go? And where did her coat go? And what she's got to do with Rob Zombie. By the way, update on the, uh. The mystery shall be unveiled. Yes. About the comic, apparently the, uh, the man who knew too much is not in the, uh, whatever European, I guess, uh, edition of these books I have. It's not even. That's unfortunate. In the one that I'm looking at the web, the comic book series one, um, it says here,

16:09it's one of the stories, but in neither of my comic books. Oh, that's unfortunate. Whatever volumes. It's not there. So I cannot give you on the insights. On the insights. What? Yeah. Tonight on the insides. Tonight on the insides. We have quite. I mean, we, the only thing left about this whole minute is that I could just talk about how, um, the. Antlers. The antlers. How the setups. The. And, uh, how, how it edits together and how, um, how the camera keeps coming closer to, uh. Well, tell us about the setups. In a gradual way. It's just, it's very simple. It's just, most of these are long lenses. These are used by, you know, like, they're kind of zoomed lenses. They're not wide. And, uh, you're just focusing on, like, Neo at the beginning is on a wide shot.

16:51There's a lot of empty space. Trinity comes in and it comes in with a closeup, which is just, um, cut it, like cut off at the shoulders. Right? Tim, you made a comment. She looks like she's naked. Um. Yeah, yeah. It's a bit, it's a bit, uh, nakeys. Nakeys. You can't see, you can't see the dress or whatever she has. And then we cut back to Neo, which is a closeup. And then we go back to Trinity, which is another closeup. But then it goes back to a wide shot with Trinity's back exposed. And then it keeps going closer and closer whenever they come, whenever they come closer. I don't know. I think that's kind of interesting. That's about it. Like I can say. It gets intimate. Whispering. It gets intimate. Dancy. But I love the command of the frame being used in this movie in general. I think that the Wachowskis had a wonderful specific thing in mind.

17:34And in fact, when, uh, they were going over storyboards with Steve Scorsh and, um, Jeff Darrow, who did a little bit of storyboarding, uh, they would do these little, you know, lipstick camera talks and conversations, you know, together with the storyboarders, getting things exactly how they want, um, for their, for their movie. And, uh, that's something that most directors don't do. And it's usually the art, the art director that comes in. That's a good point. You know, everyone has a different style, but this one's quite deliberate. This one's quite deliberate. And that's why it's good because they put more effort into it. Mm-hmm. I agree. So that's minute 11. That's it for minute 11. Let's go on to minute 12.

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