Minute 59: “A killing machine designed for one thing.”

Transcript

Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00Welcome again to the Matrix Minute. My name is Phil Dragish and I am the host and with me is my co-host Jake Dragish. That's right, that's right. He's here all the time, always. And with me on my left or right is Tim. Tim, I have trivia that are written but I realise all this trivia is about scenes that happen later so I'll keep these. I'll keep these for later. The shush police will get you. We never mention this podcast, ever. That there's a reference from Monty Python, the Holy Grail. Ah yeah, they call me Tim. Where? In Monty Python, remember? Where they go up to the mountain.

0:41Oh, well, yes, yes, yes. Tim. There are some who call me Tim. There you go. I'm glad that's on the podcast now. Okay, let's keep going. Well, this is... Oh, wait. Can I have a favour? Yes. Can I have the dub Gandalf read the description of this minute? Oh, let's hear that. Okay. So that's the dub Gandalf. By the way, if any of you have still not checked that out, that's our Walking Tacos Lord of the Rings dub of the Bakshi film, I think. It's longer than the Bakshi film itself. Oh man, you're right, it is. Okay, come on, Gandalf. Okay. Papyr and...

1:21The phone rings and Morpheus hears Tank tell him that he got trouble. We got trouble. Dozer and Morpheus now, back in the real world, are stealing the Nebuchadnezzar frantically. I mean, steering it. What am I talking about? They mention a squiddy. Sentinel. Morpheus tells Dozer that to set the ship into a hole as they hide from the oncoming threat. Thank you, thank you. But Gandalf... Shut up, you little hobbit. Exactly. Oh, this is the... What? That's when the Nebuchadnezzar's landing, is that the song?

2:08What is the... You shy of rat. You shy of rat. Don't wait, we have to say... Okay, well... That the... That the... That they must have watched the dub. Because in The Hobbit, they actually used... Yes, yes, that's so true. That phrase. Shy of rat. Shy of rat. That's it. That's impossible that it's a coincidence. I don't understand how that happened. I think... I think, you know... Peter Jackson was just watching the dub and he was just like... When did we use shy of rat specifically? I don't know. I think... Did we use... Was it in the dub or it was just something we did? By ourselves. I think it was something we did by ourselves. No, I think it was...

2:48It was something shy of rat. What was that about? I think we were doing like a fake Lord of the Rings radio program where Gandalf was a guest on Middle Earth radio. That's right. That no one heard, so it's impossible. Yeah. Okay, okay. But still, it is coincidental and weird that that happened. Yeah. Because it was literally the same words. Did we ever release those? Those fake radios? I don't know. You know, I'll do it tonight if I can find it. Let's see what we got. The Gandalf one is pretty weird though. I can't believe... I don't know about that one. My trivia today is that we mentioned... We referenced Lord of the Rings or talked about it this entire week. Oh, you're right. That's so weird. Every episode. Excuse me. I'm itching to re-watch the whole thing.

3:28It's been a while. It's been a long while. I don't think I've seen it in years. We can watch it together. I don't want to watch that. It's a big commitment. I just watched snippets. Wait, wait, wait. What were you talking about? The real movies? Yeah, our feature-length back-to-dub. Oh, you're talking about our dub. I thought you were talking about the real Lord of the Rings movies. Oh, dub. No. Oh, okay. I don't want to watch that shit. Yeah, the dub, I don't know if I can handle the whole thing either. No, that's... Just bits and pieces. By the way, did you know that... Okay, this is the last bit of self-promotion. We won't promote this anymore. But on YouTube, some awesome person went and put the best of bits of the dub. Oh, really? So if you don't want to watch the whole movie, you can just watch the best of bits. In his... I mean, he likes it, so...

4:08I mean, as long as the banana mushing and peelings are there. Oh, yeah, the banana mushing is there. And he also took the... Found the non-George Lucas versions. I had to write his fill in George Lucas. I George Lucas-ed it, but I was going to send them the original. And we're getting really cryptic here. Yeah, and this is for our listeners because... Okay, sorry. You guys got to do some research and also... Also, get me on... View Lister, do research. Someone needs to get me on that Lord of the Rings minute so I can just start talking about this for like an hour and they can't stop me. Well, why don't you ask? I never ask. Just start talking, don't let him breathe. If you don't ask, then you'll never know. Okay. All right, let's get back to the Matrix. You would have to be the one who shows yourself the door and walks through it. Yeah, both. Yeah, yeah. Be a man. You don't have a Morpheus.

4:49Walk the walk and talk the talk. You don't have a Morpheus to show you the door. Yeah. Don't wait for your Morpheus entire life because you might not show up. That's a good quote. You know, with a black background, like a mountain photo. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so guess what, guys? We're minute 59. That's crazy. Look at that shiny, like, 2008 graphic. Oh, I know, I know. The 2000 graphics. So bad. I actually, that's actually one of my notes, so. I actually don't mind it at all. And that's it. That's how that's it. We're going to everyone look like they're oil rubbed on them in video games. So, guys, minute 59. One more and then we'll be an hour in. Wow. Isn't that great? First of all, I want to mention that wonderful little phone call. We got trouble. Boom. That cut is perfect.

5:29Lovely. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Goes into the exterior of the ship. This is the first time we actually get to see the Nebuchadnezzar exterior. That's what I was going to ask. That's the first time, right? Yeah. We get to see him fully and Tani Kunitake, our concept artist extraordinaire with the gouache or the watercolor paintings. He designed the, I don't think it's watercolor. It's more like gouache or stuff like that. Or acrylic, in fact. He designed the Nebuchadnezzar ship and they wanted to make it look like a deep sea fish and stuff like that. There you go. Oh, I get it. I get it. It does look like a deep sea fish. Shellfish. Sea fish. A shellfish. A shy fish. Also, I want to notice, I want to point out that not only this is the first time we see

6:14the sheepish from exterior, from outside, but it's the first time we see the ship is moving. I don't know if you can see it, but so far the ship has been stationary. It doesn't have to be a ship. It could have been just docked forever. It could have been docked, whatever, but there's no movement. It's very static inside. There's no bumps or anything. But since they started moving so quick, there's even a little establishing shot of the people at the console looking at the codes. Oh man, can I just mention about that 90s blue screen? It just... If there's some things that hasn't aged in the Matrix, it's the CGI.

6:54The ones for the ship sequences. Well, let me tell you this. I don't know why you guys are so bothered by this. I think there's a lot of examples in other films that came out during this time that's really bad. And I have to say, this doesn't bother me at all. In comparison, yes, you're right. But really, I think it... I mean, okay, of course we can critique it and it is a product of its time, but overall I don't think it deters from watching the film. When I watch it, I'm thinking about the ship going through the tunnels. I'm thinking about, oh, this is cool. We get the reveal. I'm not really thinking about the CG, to be honest. The 90s music video CG. Yeah. Especially when the ship sort of goes into this big cavern and it lights on all the objects. Oh, I love that shot. It's just like...

7:34It looks like the objects, like I was saying, from 2007 to 2012, all the games for some reason look like oil was rubbed on them and everyone looks super shiny. Isn't this ironic, though, that the real world doesn't look that real? Yes, yes. There you go. Very clever. These are sewers, right? Well, can we talk about that a little bit? I was going to say, like... Do people shit so much? What is this? I just wanted to say that I think they might be traveling around the futuristic ruins of like the real world. So it's futuristic. So it's really big. And it's a huge city. And because we established that the machine city is in the Fertile Crescent in, you know...

8:16Oh, they're in the machine city, what? Iraq, no. Either Iran, Jordan, Israel, the Middle East. Ah, yes. Zion against Babylon. The whore. But that's where they put their machine city. They actually placed it where human civilization started. Right. I know we talked about this. So it could be somewhere over there. I bet Morpheus loves that. He calls them the Babylon whore. So this abandoned city that they're going through, it could easily be something in Iran or Iraq or even, you know, Tel Aviv or, you know, Jordan, somewhere there. It could be anywhere. It could be. When I was a kid, I thought it was New York. Yeah. I mean, I think we all kind of did because of that. Oh, we all know. Because of Chicago. Chicago. Always Chicago. The Windy City.

8:57But it can't be because based on the Animatrix and the sequels, it's not. But if you just use it as this movie, yeah. Yeah. Well, what I liked a lot about these. They fixed their plumbing problem. You know how Saudi Arabia has a problem with plumbing. It's particularly Dubai and Abu Dhabi. They have the poop trucks. Yeah, the poop trucks. Yep, the poop trucks. Listen, but now they didn't. Look, they fixed it. See, it's the future. You know, setting aside fees and these types of things. Let's talk about the aesthetic of the sewers that they fly through. I always enjoyed the aesthetic, even though I know you guys are talking about the CGI. Linkin Park music video. I was just talking about the quality.

9:37Linkin Park video. Because in the end, it doesn't even matter. Just singing it to sewer. How come? By the way, funny enough, Linkin Park was on the soundtrack of the reloaded. Second one, yeah. Not even an original song. Did they even exist when the first movie came out? Well, they did in Underground, remember? Oh, okay. They weren't the big. They were probably called something else. I don't know what. They were Linkin Park. They actually did have a name. Let me check what they were called. Okay, while you check, I can tell everyone about what I like about the aesthetic. When I used to watch this movie, I always talk about my perspective as a younger boy. But I like that the setting was mysterious and you never knew quite what the situation was or where they were.

10:21Was it underwater? I thought it was underwater for a long time. Me too. I was going to talk about that. Like, I... Oh. Yeah. So I thought it was underwater because the squids, obviously, they move around very easily. Yeah, they look like they're... Almost like they're flying through or swimming through water. Dude, I never thought about that. No way. That makes sense looking at it. The fog that you're looking at, this condensed fog that they're flying through, it looks like water. So I didn't think it was water, but I was probably gravitating towards maybe it is water. Maybe they're underwater. And not only that, I was always wondering, like, are these remnants of the city? Is this a destroyed industrial zone?

11:01Are these actual sewers? Are there roofs? Are there ceilings to this place? Or maybe there's a... Is the sky so scorched? You know, you don't know really where they are. I always enjoyed that aspect of these scenes because, again, it adds that mysterious layer to the story where, again, you're always questioning stuff. Yeah, it makes the world bigger. And I don't understand why people have to explain everything these days. Precisely. You don't need to always have an answer to all these questions. You can just sit back and go, could be that, could be this. And that's why we have minute-by-minute podcasts where you can discuss about them because you don't have answers. Exactly. So did you find Tim? Yep. They're... At the time when Matrix was released, they were known as heroes, spelled with an X.

11:43So X-E-R-O. Like Xero? Yeah, like Xero. Interesting. By the way, when did it start? If you read like a Mexican. I'm going to start since we're talking about that. Sort of. That hero thing is 1996 to 2000 was the early stuff when it kind of switched around. I think 1999, they got Chester in the thing. Oh, wow. Okay. So he was like already at the end of Hero. Yeah. That's interesting. What else can we say? So you didn't know about the underwater thing. You never thought about that. No, never, never. But it makes sense. It does look like those like early, like 1998 video games where honestly underwater look just exactly like as any other, you know, environment.

12:24You just kind of swim and everything's a little bit bluer. Do you know what's funny? Or they sometimes would have added like post effects like on the screen where it just makes it look a little wobbly. Yeah. This always reminded me, unfortunately, of that film, Tim, you gave us a long time ago called Final Fantasy. It came out. Yes. Spirits Within. Yes. He's got that one. Spirits Within. Doesn't it look similar? What's his name? The vibe. Patrick Willems talked about that, right? I think so. A little bit. He mentioned it. Yes. Tim, you watched it all the way through. I haven't. Yes. When I was a kid, I was, I imagine like, I remember my old brother, older brother, flipping L, my older brother telling me like, oh, you know, they, they, they did such a crazy,

13:04you know, CGI on this. Like they actually learned in every cell, every cell exists. Every strand of hair. Like, which it's just, the cell one is thinking about it now. That's total bullshit. He probably read that somewhere. There's no way they put in every cell. They don't do that now. Oh, you're alone back then. No, look, you obviously know the principles of showmanship in general, and this goes with everything, is when you're building a set, you're not building the inside of a set. You're not building, if you have a building and it's outside, you're just doing the outside, whatever the camera shows. When you're doing 3D models, you're doing whatever it has to show. So. Yeah. Cells. And in my mind, it looked so realistic. Stem cell. Ha ha.

13:45And then I, it was, it's on Netflix. So I put it on and I kind of laughed. I couldn't handle it. Five minutes of it actually watched Advent Children rather. No way. Spirits Within, obviously that movie. Well, the director for Spirits Within got to do the Animatrix short. The Osiris. Yes, the one where they take off stuff, right? The sexy one. The sexy one. The fly of the Osiris official title. Oh, yes. I need to watch those. I just don't have, I have all the DVDs, but I have nowhere to play them on nothing. Are they not on a single computer? No. Why would it be on Netflix again? Why would it be? You have the whole DVD, Tim. Where would I play it on? Tell me, tell me where do I put that DVD in. There you go, 1-800-RENT-A-DVD-PLAYER.

14:26Exactly. I have nothing. I have absolutely nothing to put it in. Ridiculous. I have these DVDs and nowhere to play them. But I want to talk about a certain thing. So we have a few little graphical 3D images. One is a squiddy and the other thing is a strange object. Strange foreign object. That's where they're docking. It looks like, oh, okay, I see the green thing, that little sperm, that's them. And they're entering the womb and then he's saying where they're going to be. You're putting symbolism into this already. That wasn't a purpose. I just didn't realize that until now. I see.

15:06But that's where they're going. Okay, I see. The graphics on the dashboard of the ship are showing their location. Also, there's this great wide shot where you can see Dozer and Morpheus sitting on the cockpit. And Neo coming in, it looks a little bit like the Millennium Falcon. Oh, I just remember what Morpheus does in the future. What does he do? And the hat. And the hat. Shut up, Tim. And the hat. You're going to get shushed. Be careful. That's the best thing ever. We are not. It is. I'm not going to talk about it. Next week. There is one thing we can talk about and that is terms. They're all drunks. Terms for these sentinels. So there's obviously sentinel.

15:48There's squiddy as well. What do you guys think about that? What does sentinel mean? Sentinel. That's a good question, actually. Define sentinel. Is it got to do with anything? Or we're reaching a soldier or guard whose job is to stand and keep watch. Oh. Okay. So it's got nothing to do with sentience. All right. Here's what I got. Thanks. Why is your Siri British? She's Australian. Excuse me. Oh, okay. Does she understand you, though? Yeah, she does. Or do you have to talk to her in an Australian accent?

16:30Hey, Siri. I love ya. That's nice. Can we get back to work now? Ooh, Philip. Ooh, she knows you're recording. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Turn on Siri and put her on your headphones. I want to tell her something. Let's see if she picks it up. Okay. I see a little silhouette of a man. No, she didn't hear that. Let's do it again. Okay. I see a little silhouette of a man. She didn't do it. Oh. Siri doesn't like you. Siri, thank you. See you later. Bye. All right. Thank you, Siri. Yeah. That was our guest. The podcast. Yeah.

17:10Just we should have Siri as one of the guests and just ask her questions. Siri, what's your opinion of Morpheus? I don't really like talking about myself. Wow. Wait. She is the Morpheus. So that proves it. Are you saying that you're Morpheus? We were talking about you, Phil, not me. But my name's not Morpheus. She's avoiding. From now on, I'll call you Morpheus. Morpheus. Okay. No, I'm just kidding. Okay. Ask her. Who are you? No, no. Ask me. Who am I? What's my name? Ask her. What's my name?

17:50You aren't Phil, but you asked me to call you Morpheus. I didn't do that. Can we please stop calling me Morpheus, please? Okay. I'll pronounce it as I always have. Whatever. Listen, there is no spoon, okay? Get out of here. You are now known as Morpheus. I don't know who performs no spoon, okay? Get out of here. Wow. Anyway, amazing. You completely confused her. But that makes sense. You know, Morpheus could be like, you know, Agent Smith. He's imprinted on a human. Maybe that's what the Matrix does. It imprints one guy with the Morpheus virus. And then Morpheus is, you know, just like Agent Smith in the sequels.

18:32He's just a programmer attached to a body. And he's like, well, that's going to be for the Matrix sequels that they're making. I don't know how it's going to make Morpheus more evil. I think Morpheus is still a pretty cool guy. Anyway, here's another thing. Let's talk about the squiddies. I brought up. Go on. Sentinel. Squiddy. What is it? Yeah. I just, I don't know. It's funny. Squiddy. Because he looks like a squid. Exactly. I mean. Okay. So Trinity says they're killing machine designed for one thing. Killing. No, seek and destroy. Search and destroy. That's two things. Is that a Metallica song? I think there's a seek and destroy. There's one search and destroy. Oh, there's no search and destroy. There you go.

19:12But that's, but that's just, that's two things. Not one. You're right. So are you scared of them? I'm pretty scared of them. I like the Sentinels. Oh yeah, dude. Sentinels. He's on our logo. Ah, that's right. Yes. We call him Mr. Sentinel. We call him Mr. Sentinel. Mr. Sentinel. He's our Eddie. Like in, uh, in, um. Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden. Well, what else is there to talk about? We should have a music video on Ed, Ed, just playing guitar. Oh yeah, that sounds good. Soloing. That's really all that happens, man. In this scene. Oh, there you go. Eddie has glasses. Cool, Scooty. So cool.

19:53Um. Let's talk about Senti. I have another thing. Dozer says, no, another ship sent the message. Or sent the warning. Yeah, more if it's like Zion sent the message. He's like, no, another ship. Warning. The warning. The warning. We don't get to see. A little bit of world building there. It's their little attempt at world building. I just want to say that the sheer disappointment of when you actually get to see all this stuff. I know. I know. It doesn't live up to anything, I imagined. I know. Well, that's the thing. Like, sometimes you gotta keep these things not revealed. And it's better. Yeah. I just, that scene where they're all meeting. And he's like, against Morpheus. And he's that black guy. He's like, oh, bullshit. Morpheus or whatever he's saying. Commander Locke.

20:33That whole scene. It's just, I don't know. I didn't anticipate him to all look like Matrix peeps. You know what I mean? Maybe I wished for it. But then when I saw the reality. Oh, sorry. You're talking about the scene in the Matrix. The council in the Matrix. Yeah, in the sequels. You mean in the underground. In the Matrix. It starts off where Neo is like a guard at the door or something like that. And he goes, oh, bullshit. Maybe when I saw it, I was like. So you didn't want everyone to have sunglasses and look cool, right? No. That's why. I think when I saw it, it was cool. And then the second viewing, it was like, it wasn't cool. But I didn't understand it. Why? Thinking about it now, it makes perfect sense. It's just, you know, it's that sequel thing. It's like, it's that, but more now, you know?

21:15Yeah. I think there were plenty of routes they could have taken. But we'll talk about that sometime. Hey, guys, you want to go to the 1996 script? Yes. Yes. Oh, yeah. I'm ready. Cue the song. Cue the song. All right. We're back. What a song. Very nice. This isn't going to be very long, but I'm going to do this. This extra scene that actually doesn't appear in the real movie, and it happens after the Cypher scene in the restaurant. So this is after the Cypher scene in the restaurant. But in this case, I'm going to talk to you about it now, because you guys were good boys

21:55and girls, especially since because, since because, especially since both the Sentinel and the training program with the agent don't exist in this script. So this is what happens. Okay. This is a transition. All right. So this is after Cypher says, I'll give you the man who does. And then Agent Smith goes, Morpheus. Okay. So you know the context here. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It cuts. Main deck. Sweat dapples his lip as Neo snaps out of the construct coma. Jesus. I was wondering about that. Tank says, what? Why, I was bald here, but not in the matrix.

22:37And Tank goes, RSI. And Neo goes, residual self-image. Good. Good. Now what's this? He points to one of Neo's monitors. Life systems monitor. Glucose levels. What's that? Main power supply to the core. He follows Tank to the operator station where he points to the red key switch. How about this? Mainframe self-destruct uses all remaining power to generate and EMP? And Tank goes, electromagnetic pulse. Our best weapons against the machines. The problem is if someone is still in the matrix, when that thing goes off, they're not coming back. Neo nods as Morpheus comes up behind them.

23:18Oh, yes. Comes up. How's he doing? Yes. And Tank goes, oh, does he tap him on the back? Good boy. Good school boy. And Tank goes, we just finished the operation programs and he's showing great retention. Morpheus goes, good. I want everyone alerted to 12-hour standby. We're going in. Neo. It's time for you to know why you're here. And Morpheus walks away. Cluck, cluck, cluck. Neo goes, what's he talking about? And Tank goes, he's talking. He's taking you to the matrix to see her. See who? What do you think? The Oracle. The stripper. Now, so these are the operational programs we're talking about. It is all this stuff about, you know, like he skips going to the agent and the woman in the red dress and all that stuff and just go straight to the fighty stuff, right?

24:03Mm-hmm. So they do fighting first and then they do jump program. Yeah. And then comes the cipher betrayal and then comes this scene that I just showed you and then the Oracle. Well, I think the part with Morpheus coming in, that was fine. That was fine. The part where he's like, what's this? Where it's like the school boy. It's like he's reciting and he's like, he's such a good boy. He learned all this. He's so smart. I know. Can you imagine like Morpheus comes in and they're like, he's such a good boy. He studied well. He's getting A plus grades. That's good. It's like that. And it's like, you know, that scene where they're like studying for a test and he's like, and then that is for, oh, yes, yes, yes.

24:46That's that. Exactly. Good. Good boy. Here's a snack. Yeah. Yeah. So there we go. That's, that's a little bit of the matrix. And I don't think we're going to be talking about that script until we get to the Oracle part. Oh, wow. I mean, there, there is a little bit of cipher. Yeah. As well. But other than that. So the Oracle part is juicy. Oh, yes. There's some stuff. Oh, yes. I'm looking forward. It's very different. It's not, not very different, but yeah, it's, it's different enough to, to, to warrant a 1996 section. And that's about it. I think Friday's over or started or whatever. Whenever someone's listening to this Friday's episode is over.

25:26Hopefully we'll have a guest next week, but if we don't, it's just going to be us again. Exactly. Yeah. I hope you don't mind. Yes. I hope you don't mind. I hope you don't mind. Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you everyone for listening again. And, uh, as usual, we will catch every one of you who's listening next week. Indeed. Next week. Thank you so much. Yes. And, uh, I hope you enjoyed. We'll see you next week. Don't forget to tell your friends. I did, Jacob. I did. Tell your friends and rate us up. Yeah. Rate us up, guys. Rate us up on iTunes. That'd be great. Anyway. Take us to the higher grounds. Thank you, everyone. See you later, Tim.

26:07See ya. Hey, see you guys. Bye.