Minute 25: “Jesus Christ, that thing’s real!?”

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Transcribed automatically from the audio, and imperfect for it — names and punchlines suffer worst. Useful for finding a moment, not for quoting one.

0:00The Matrix Minute, a podcast where three people talk about The Matrix one minute at a time, plus guests sometimes. Hi. Hi. I'm Phil. Hi. I'm Jake. And the Wachaskis wrote 14 drafts until the final version of this film. That's many drafts. That's a lot. Quite a few drafts. And then when they wrote the 14th one, they said, This is the one! It's finished! It's finished! It's finished. And who are you, the other person? Me? Yes. I already said my name before, Jake. Oh. Oh, you did? Yes. And to my left or right, I can't tell, is Tim Tim. And Switch was a character originally meant to be someone who switches their gender every time they go into The Matrix.

0:46Really? That's why the name is Switch. Tim, I was going to talk about that. Ah, so we all stole each other's. We steal each other's things. Oh, steal us. I didn't know that. Hi, everybody. Nintendo Switch. So she changes or he changes. Yeah. We'll talk about that later. I wanted to keep it, like, scene by scene so we don't just talk about everything and then we want everything to talk about later. Well, there's that one thing you shushed me about that we don't have to talk about. We will. Yep. Shush this film. Everything must be according to his plan. And if you break it, he will shush you. According to plan. He will shush you and then shame you. Shout out to the movie. Everything he talks about, like, we'll just talk about it when we get there. Yes. No, yeah, no, yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. That's true.

1:27Welcome to Minute 25. This week has been quite the, uh, quite the lax week, I would say. It's quite relaxing. Hmm. Anyway, uh... Hot. Let's get to it. 25. Mm-hmm. Trinity finally succeeds in extracting the bug, revealing a gross, bloody metal bug in the container jar. They throw it out in the street as they drive off, and finally get to the big, scary building in the thundering night. The minute ends as Trinity and Neo march up the many floors and stand in front of the double doors where Morpheus is waiting. She says, this is it. Morpheus! That's the end of the minute, man.

2:08That's the minute we're talking about today, my friends. The extraction of the bug. Now, first things first. This whole thing reminds me of Alien. It gives me H.R. Giger vibes. You know, the whole thing where this parasite is under your skin, and H.R. Giger said that it's one of the most... Chest burst. The most horrible, horrible thing. Ooh, wow, wow. Terrible. Chicken comes out. Terrible, yes. Thing crawling inside your skin. Ooh, wow, wow. Horrible. That's a good Giger right there. Like we all know. I just love... That's like one of the things that I remember him saying. Like a chicken going up... Yeah. I was listening to someone recently, and...

2:49I want it to do it. I think they were referencing Giger, but they didn't know how to pronounce it. It said Jiger. What? I've never heard that one. That was a podcast I was listening. They were like, oh, you know, they wanted to say that, you know, that... I think it was Alien. Oh, he was designed. You know, those guys. It's Jiger. And the guys are like, what? Yeah, I had not heard that one. It was Jiger. I heard Giger. Like H.R. The Giger. I've heard that one as well. But not Jiger. Jiger. Jiger. Maybe Jiger. Maybe, like, you know, I think it's French. Like Giger. French. He's from Switzerland. I know where he's from. I know where Giger came from. What if someone mixes it up and goes like... Giger.

3:29Er ist von der Schweiz. Schweizer Käse. Yeah. And now he's dead, sadly. Unfortunately. No more Jiger-ing from him. It was recently, right? 2012. 2014. 2014. Oh, man. But it's funny that... How old is he, by the way? If he could go back a little bit of Giger. Not old enough to be, like, appropriately dead. You know, with Alien and everything. So, yeah, Alien. There's a lot of Alien. I can't hear Tim. Tim was saying something. Sorry, Tim. No, it's okay. I just wanted to say that this is tied with a good documentary. Maybe we talked about this on this podcast already. We haven't. But that's tied with Giger and the Alien. He wasn't actually found, Giger, as the artist, the German artist. Was he Austrian or German? Swiss.

4:09Swiss. Swiss artist. This wasn't... Alien wasn't the first movie he was working on. He was supposed to do Dune for a good old... Alejandro. What's his name? Alejandro Jarodowski. And, yeah, a lot of the people who worked on that movie that never came to be then went to work on the Alien movie. And they stayed in the business and create a lot of the sci-fi stuff that I'm pretty sure inspired the Wachowski. And they actually used Giger. Well, yeah. Because I remember what happened is, Jodorowsky, unfortunately, he didn't get to make his film. But then Ridley Scott comes in. Or who else?

4:50Well, no. Because Daniel Bannon wrote the Alien. And then he brought all the folks from that. That's what I meant. Because he was writing Dune as well. So he brought all these crazy artists that... That didn't work with... Yeah, that dissolved from... Yeah. From the Dune project. Yeah. Speaking of which, Alien Minute. It's a very good podcast. I really like those guys. They do a very good and insightful analysis on the film, minute by minute. And I hope that someday they could probably... Guys, please join us. Talk about the Matrix. Make us feel professional, too. We need help. Help. We need. We need professional guests. Yeah. Professionals. We need professionals.

5:30So anyway, yeah. So we have that whole chest-burster thing going on. So in the original storyboarded scene, the bug was supposed to kind of fidget and move under Neo's skin a lot more than it does in the final film. So you could actually see the bug's precise movements under the skin. Like it's under that little layer of epidermis. So you could actually see the outline of it kind of going... Okay, I see. And then also, if you look at Steve Skros' storyboards, you can actually see the claws kind of protruding, like making dents, like indents and weird shapes. Like underneath the stomach skin? Yeah. Underneath just the thin epidermal layer. And also, it was also going to be like...

6:13It was going to have some rack focusing going on where you see the little monitor. And on another side of the screen, on the frame, you would see the stomach. And so they were trying to do this one-shot deal where you could actually see the monitor with the x-ray. And then as it gets sucked in, you can see the same shot, poink, the thing coming out into the jar. Isn't it ultrasound, not x-ray? Oh, ultrasound. Okay, sorry. Like the Bubbies. How is Bubby formed? Like the Bubby. How is Bubby formed? How is Bubby formed? Didn't they do this? Didn't you mention this before in a scene in the beginning where Trinity is getting arrested

6:53and they use the same trick? Oh, Philip, you can now rectify yourself. What did I do? What? You can talk about the split diopter. You can confirm. Yes, it was indeed a split diopter. Oh. Remind everyone. Just confirm. Well, back in the day, I probably mentioned that it might have been blue screened. Well, it was kind of digitally composite. The shot of Trinity with her arms. Trinity, her face is in focus on the right side of the screen. This is the opening scene in the first couple of minutes. As her hands are behind her head and there's a cop coming in to cuff her hands. And both of them are in focus and you can't do that with a regular lens. You can see on one side, I think it's the left side or the right side, I think the left side you can see Trinity's face in focus and on the right side you can see the cop coming

7:36in with the handcuffs and he's also in focus. Which obviously you can't do. Yes. But the thing is with the split diopter, the middle is slightly blurry, isn't it? Yes. Which you can actually see on the film. You could see that. And I didn't notice that. I thought it might have been just the digital composite, which would also be... It's confirmed, I think. That's right. Confirmed! No, no. That was just for posterity. Let's keep going. So, yeah, the bug is there and it's, you know, there's a little kerfuffle going on. He's like, what's going on? And she's like, trust me, Neo. I forget what she's saying. I watched the minute just like a couple of seconds ago and I forget what she was saying. And she's like, you're not going to get it. And he's like, I'm going to get it. Yeah. You're not going to make it. He's like, no, I got it. So, yeah, this is kind of a straight...

8:17And Juno's Trinity's, her tactic to get the bug out is just shocking Neo. Just repeatedly just shocking him. Like, I'll get him. Let's think about for a second how this damn machine works. So, there's a bug in its stomach. Is it in the... Wait, wait. I don't know, man. Is it connected into anything on the inside of your body? Well, that's my question. Like, now... I think this is... Isn't it just kind of like... This is going to be the amateur biologist. Guys, I got it. I got it. It goes back into that little device. And just stays under his skin. So, he doesn't feel it. But now it's... Wait, what? She puts the device on and then... You're saying it activates... Yeah, it tries to run away from that device.

8:58Then it turns into the bug again. I didn't think about that. So, Neo just... He has... But the thing is... Well, what bug again? I'm confused. The thing is, if you... Matrix! Where do you get to if you get through the belly button? It's fine. They coded it so he can't feel it. Where would you end up if you actually went through the belly button? I don't know. I'm not a biologist. Can we get a biologist on the podcast? I would love that. And he can explain everything. Is he like... Because... Okay, so when you're in your mother's womb, right? Yes. The food comes through the belly button. Correct. What is the belly button connected to? That's my question. Do you like the digestive system? We should research this. Well, I didn't think we'd go this deep into the rabbit hole. Because it's connected to your stomach or no?

9:40I can't remember. I was too small. Write in! And then we will rectify this in the next few episodes. Probably 101 biology stuff. Just like a commenter actually mentioned the Cap'n Crunch. Yes, let's mention. I wanted to talk about that because that is very interesting. Thank you, sir, for actually commenting. Thank you very much because that is a very interesting fact. It's an incredibly interesting fact because the Cap'n Crunch just survived in the early draft where Cypher is on the phone at the very beginning in the opening VO voiceover. He's saying like, yeah, the subject went to buy some Cap'n Crunch and some beers. And we just started joking about how the Cap'n Crunch is there. And there is, in fact, some food there.

10:20Some cereal. Something like that he's, you know, when Neo's asleep on his desk when we first see him in the final film. And the whole Cap'n Crunch thing is actually based on, could be a reference to the actual hacker called Cap'n Crunch. But I got an update on the umbilical cord and the navel. Oh, perfect. You can tell us. Yeah, we're dumbasses. Okay. No, of course it's not connected to the digestive system. It's just a blood vessel. So basically you're, the blood that's, you know, full of nutrients. No way. And oxygen goes to the baby and then comes out as well. And it's connected to the mom. So then the baby is connected, has the same blood?

11:01Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's getting the stuff through the blood. It's not actually getting like a liquid that's full of food. Oh, so it's like, it's intravenous, basically intravenous feeding. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Just like when you would be hooked to the tube and getting the liquid food. So it's just blood. So the navel is not connected to anything, especially once it's dead. So it's just a little hole that the thing pushed us through. And I guess it's just hanging out with the guts and the fat and just hanging out there, I guess. But no, where is ultimately the umbilical cord? Where does it connect to? Welcome to biology with jerk and turn. Didn't tell me. I want to know. Got any maternal advice? What do you mean? On the mother's side or where?

11:41Yeah, like the umbilical cord that goes from the mother to the baby belly button. Yes. Where does it end up in the baby? Where it's actually, I think it's connecting to the, let me tell you here. It normally contains two arteries, right? And a vein. Okay. And it's buried within the waratone jelly, which is inside the placenta, I think. I'm familiar with this. And the umbilical veins supply a fetus with oxygenate, nutrient-rich blood from the placenta. Okay. Conversely, the fetal, the fetal, the fetal heart pumps deoxygenate, nutrient-depleted blood through the umbilical arteries back into the placenta.

12:21I'm not sure how it is directly connected once it goes inside the belly's navel, but I'm pretty sure it's magic. Yeah. It's the magic of parenthood. Um, yes. So anyways, okay. Um, let's go back to, um, Cap'n Crunch. Okay. So, someone mentioned to us that it might have been, the whole Cap'n Crunch thing might be a reference to John Draper. Who? Not to be confused with Don Draper. Who's Don Draper? The guy from Mad Men. Oh. Um, he's an American computer programmer and former phone freak. That's P-H-R-E-A-K.

13:01Oh. What's his name again? He's got to think for phones. John Draper. Ah! Messed up. It's John Draper and he used to be, um, a huge computer programmer and hacker for, like, the security community. So, did he hack the IRSD base? He might have, but his nickname was Cap'n Crunch. Cap'n Crunch. Or the Crunch Man. So, there you go. I think, dear commenter, I think you were correct. Definitely. It sounds completely impossible. Cap'n Crunch is, uh, an aesthetic piece of Matrix lore right here. So, it's perfect. Now, if only Cap'n Crunch was in the sequels, but we still have that reboot that's coming out. Oh, yeah. Or that, or that rebootquel. Okay, what else we got?

13:42Um, well, uh, she's trying to get that thing out. And, uh, when you look at the close-ups of Neo's stomach, and you can see the thing writhing in there. It's not as, um, sleek as they wanted in the storyboards, which you can check out on our Facebook page, which I will upload. Woo! You'll be able to see that. Yeah, I think it looks even more realistic than the one we saw earlier. The one in the sonogram. What are they called? In the original storyboards as well, they tried getting the lights to flicker more. Like, the electricity is suffering through this. But anyway, I wanted to say that, um... Suffering. Suffering. Um, I believe the electricity is suffering again. Why does it die in water, though? Aren't we, aren't humans made of 90% water?

14:2290% water. Shut up! It dies in the rain, it's sad. Blip, blip, blip, blip. It's electronic. But anyway, yeah, this is the torso that they made, the fake torso. Oh, man, it looks so real. And, uh, yeah, so what happens, like, they actually cast Neo. Oh, Neo! I said it again! They cast Keanu, um... Before he did his workouts and his training. And so his, um, stomach was quite flabby. There, and he said that it's gonna look completely different. So that's why he looks so ripped when they're, when they take his shirt off in, um... In the interrogation scene. And when you see the prop, it's kinda, it's kinda flat. So anyway, she takes it out. Clear! Pfff! Ah!

15:02And Neo's... That's his scream. Authentic. Ah! Ugh! There we go, that's better. And it comes out, and he says, Jesus Christ, that thing's real? Well, but, in the TV version, which I believe we all need to preserve, he says, Jeepers, Creepers, that thing's real! Just dropping references for other movies. Amazing. It's wonderful. That was the best. It's beautiful. Jeepers, Creepers. And, but I have to say, that bug looks extremely real in that container jar when it comes out. Full of that human fact. I have no idea. I have a question. How they made it look like that. Is there any way... Is there any way... It really looks like it's squirming in there, and it's all bloody. Do you know what I would love and I would do? I would love, if on Blu-rays, you know how there's different audio tracks? Why can't they have a TV track?

15:43Yes! I would love that. I want to hear this, because you can often hear the actors have to do it. Yes, they have to do it. So, Keanu used to go, Jeepers, Creepers. Yeah. Yeah. I've had it with these monkey-fighting snakes on my Monday to Friday plane. See, I want to hear all this stuff. She goes, clear. Electric zaps and fake stuff like that. Then they throw it out. K-chunk. The bug does... It's a wonderful shot of the tracking devices. It's just sitting there in the rain. Wonderful, beautiful shot. And then the light just goes out like hell. 9,000. Yeah, I didn't think about that. Just wanted to put that as an observation I had. That's a great shot, though, of the bug. Yeah, I love it. Turning off. Love that thing. In the rain.

16:27So, why didn't the agents ever show up? Because they could see that this is being tampered with. Eating donuts. I don't know. Look, Philip, we have concluded this conversation about the agents many times. I'm sorry. They don't care. If the agents can't find Neo in his cubicle, they certainly can't. Then they certainly can't. Take immediate action. Take immediate action. What's the point of this bug again? Is it classic bug? Like, you know, when you bug someone with a microphone or a GPS tracking system so you know where they are? That's right. That's it. That's it. What if the agents were so stupid but they made it literal? No. They think you're bugged. Listen, what if the agents were so dumb that they accidentally, like, you know how on Emperor's New Groove, you know, there's the,

17:07well, I might ruin the movie for that. People know. Anyway, forget. Everybody's seen that. Spoilers. It's a classic. Modern masterpiece. How there's at the end, there's the switch between the llama and the human vial. Yeah. Potion? Maybe the agents went over to their shelf and they see, like, one part of the shelf that says, like, bug to stop, to prohibit people from becoming agents. And so they took this thing, like, this will stop, but if we didn't read the label, so they actually inadvertently couldn't overtake Neo's body to become agents because they bugged him, which protected Neo from becoming an agent. Whose fault was that?

17:48Jones or Brown? One of them. Brown. One of them went to the back of the warehouse. Maybe the nice one who put the pajamas on. Brown. He did it on purpose. Oh, maybe. I had to. He's like, I like him. He switched, it's a little switcheroo. You have to give them a chance. You know, there's three, remember three in the little cigarette case? Yes, yes. He just switched it. Yeah, he switched it. He switched it. He gave Smith the wrong one. And Smith's like, inside man. Are you sure these are the ones? Yes. And that's why we revealed everything. And finally, with that out of the way, How to make the Matrix worse. The gang finally get to the scary building. It's an awesome 90 degree angle of them walking out of the car into the building. Ah, the aesthetic. Now, this reminds me of the Grand Theft Auto games.

18:28Like when you see that 90 degree angle of them walking out. Perfect. The old GTA games. Oh, yes. And we have that wonderful spiral staircase, which looks a little bit like Dark City. It's all quite the same aesthetic. Dark City vibe. Dark City vibe. Same vibe. And also Max Payne. And then they get finally to that room with those double doors. And Trinity's the one who shows Neo into meeting Morpheus. So Trinity is making them a Trinity. Oh. And she's just, this is it. And that's where our minute ends. And we're going to get there. We're going to get to Morpheus. And now, Morpheus. Can we continue to click hangers? You only saw one picture of Morpheus. Yes. And that was a really badly printed image.

19:10Good point. From him terrorizing Heathrow. Heathrow is just running around. Yeah, that's it. That's all we saw. The Matrix poster. Well, the poster, yeah. But let's pretend someone just didn't see this in your walking line. Because that's kind of how movies assume you're watching a film. I know, I know. Heathrow doesn't exist. Like, when I watched this as a kid, I was like, Ooh, Morpheus, finally. I don't know what to expect here. It might be, you know, like Kwatu, or what's his name? You know, from Total Recall. Yes. The one in the belly. Which is another film that is very similar to this. I think we talked about that. Yeah, we talked about Philip K. Dick and he's inspiring all those, the Matrixes.

19:50Right? There's a lot of Philip K. Dick stuff that he was, you know, pondering about. The reality, the control of the government. Wait, what would some of the Matrix stuff be based on what things of his? Well, anything. Do androids dream of electric sheep? All his, like, science fiction short stories. I mean, you should read that. I think, Jacob, you'll love them. they're sort of... Scanner Darkly, didn't you do that? Yeah, that's him. I read Scanner Darkly, I read that. And I read also the short story that was called The Movie with Matt Damon was based on... Matt Damon? The... With Matt Damon and Emily Blunt.

20:32Matt Damon and Emily Blunt. What? The Adjustment Bureau. The Adjustment Bureau, yeah. Never seen this. It looked wonky. Yeah, it wasn't that great. The poster looks... The original story... The poster looks like some kind of romantic getaway. But yeah, I don't know what other novels and short stories he wrote I'm not too familiar, but I know that he's influential in the science fiction slash, I guess, philosophical to a degree. Are you excited for the next Blade Runner? Me? It's got great people and then it's got Harrison Ford being Harrison Ford. I think I would be excited about that movie more. They brought... Yeah, they brought the entire film crew there

21:12to film him at home. Yeah. I think I would be more excited about that if I didn't see the trailer where it's just Harrison Ford going, it's all true. The Jedi are real. He really does... No, it's all true. I'm an android. Oh, replicant. No, he's not. He's not. That's stupid. That's dumb. You know, so... But you know what's sad? The great master doesn't return. The great lord, Vangelis. Oh, no! We need Vangelis. Vangelis is not the best. Is Vangelis or Vangelis? I don't know. I think Vangelis. I like Vangelis. Oh, yes. We know, we know, Tim. We've spent... He spent nights listening to that music and I'm going, turn it off! And you're like,

21:52no, we need to listen. It's funny. His themes are hilarious. I was listening more to his stuff and basically he has like a couple chord progressions that he uses. The rest of the stuff is like... This is not good. I don't know. It's like his avant-garde stuff and it just sounds weird. The great master Vangelis. And then he goes back to his like inspirational themes. Didn't he also do Chariots of Fire? Chariots of Fire. What? Chariots of Fire? Yeah. Okay, I'm mixing that, right? Blazing Saddles. Okay. No, he didn't do Blazing Saddles. But yeah, Vangelis is not returning. But they got Deacons. They got Deacons on the cinematography.

22:33So it's kind of good. Roger Deacons. Roger. You've got Roger Deacons. Yes, Roger. The old Dickie. He's good. I love him. Old Dickie. I know you do, Tim. I know you do. Yeah, and then the director of Sicario, which was a good movie. I forgot his name. So it could be good. And you know, I like myself some What's-His-Face, the actor playing in this. I wouldn't know. Starring from La La Land. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. I think he's showing up some good signs of a... Shout out to Blade Runner Minute if that will ever happen. Didn't happen yet. I think it's happening. Someone's doing it. At some point. So good luck with that. Yeah. That sounded so evil. Good luck with that. That did sound like...

23:14Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, I didn't mean that. Good luck with that. No, please do it. And I hope you mentioned Matrix. Anyway, good luck with trying to find out which is the real version of the 300 directors and cinematic and neighbor cuts. They probably came out with like a producer's cut. Oh, there's so many of them. And then you're like a gaffer's cut. Yeah, there's like four of them. There's like one without narration, one with narration. The Ford cut. I only watched the final cut. Which is the final cut? Is it the narration one or not? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's just the... It's like the 2007 one. I don't know when that came out. It's one of them. It's one of the 15. Like for the Blu-ray or whatever. Anyway, you want to go to 1996 before we wrap out this episode? Let's finish the cliffhanger of 1996. I want to know what happens. Like the scene that happens instead of this one. I want to know what happens to Gizmo. Yeah, where this film is straightforward and cleaned up and it's just all the bullet points.

23:59And I think it's perfect the way it is. But here we have a more messy kind of lots of characters doing things that, you know, other existing ones at the moment could be doing, which is what they cleaned up. But here we have Gizmo and... Well, come on. Take it away, Gizmo. And Stripe. Shout out to the Mogwai Minute, by the way. Oh, yeah. All right. Let's do that. So we meet Gizmo and we meet Cabby and we meet a big guy called Hacksaw. Oh. The huge man in a leather welder's apron. Okay. So they're in the van. It's a chop shop. So inside the van is this shop. It's like in Blade 2, if you remember...

24:41Yeah. Scud. Scud's van. Scud's van has stuff in it. Like computers and scud. So interior van. The chop shop is filled with electronic gadgets wired to meters and monitors. Their shelves lined with medical supplies and rows of hanging tools, knives, cleavers, and stainless steel clamps. Neo is strapped down to an ambulance cart, listening nervously as Gizmo gets to work. Okay. Okay. Gizmo is sitting. Okay. First, we take a little look under the hood. And he pulls up the goggles, hanging at his neck, and they blink to life with tiny halogen lights and lenses irising to varying levels of magnification.

25:24So you can imagine a kind of del Toro shot going on with people. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Or Burton. The grapes. And Gizmo just, you're going to feel a little prick. He inserts, he inserts. No, no, don't insert it. He inserts acupuncture-like needles into Neo's lower abdomen. The needles are wired to video monitors. Oh, man. Hacksaw pilots the fiber optic lens. What are you doing? Trinity says, we think you're bugged. We can't take you to Morpheus until you're clean. And Gizmo's like, there it is. But on a monitor, we see the bug nestled in among Neo's large intestines. Which is actually how it is in the...

26:05Well, this is similar to the movie. It's just like there's more people involved in this whole operation. I think, though, to be honest, it makes a bit more sense. Because here, the bug is like taken care of in seconds. It kind of, it's not that sort of serious. It's like, oh, there was a bug? Oh, it's gone now. This seems more like, oh, they have to call in some butchers. Yeah, they're a job specialist. Some professional. Yeah, the guys who do this, you know. But it's so 90s. On a monitor, we see the bug nestled in the intestines. So Gizmo says, okay, hit him with 10 cc's of local. Hacksaw loads a hypodermic needle and pumps an anesthetic around Neo's navel. Using a device that looks like a miniature speculum, Gizmo inserts a knuckle dental pick.

26:46Typing into a calculator. Keypad wired to the pick. He automates the tip. On the monitor, we watch it telescope out and the end separate into a tiny hooked metal claw. Gizmo's like, here, kitty, kitty, kitty. The claw snags hold of the bug. Gotcha. Yeah, this is like a whole sequence. But the bug reacts violently. Neo screams as it wraps itself around the soft tissue web of intestine. Gizmo says, shit. Trinity, what's happening? I don't know. They've never done that before. This is cheesy. This is super cheesy. Neo writhes in pain. Ugh! Ugh! Hold him down.

27:26And Neo, Jesus! God! Trinity, do something! I got it! Maybe we can stun it! And then Trinity goes, are you crazy? That would kill him! Now she would be probably like, are you crazy? That would kill him! Yeah, that's the... We watch Neo, who can't see what they are talking about. Because Neo's still in that tape. Yeah. Gizmo. He's probably scared out of his mind. It'll work, come on. Do it or hacksaw will. Gizmo, obviously. Do what? Says Neo. The instant he hears the word, he knows. Trinity goes, Claire! And Neo goes, oh shit. And the cry is frozen in his mouth as the paddles hit the... The cry is frozen in his mouth as the paddles hit his chest.

28:07Gizmo wrestles with the bug. Hit him again! Again, the electricity convulses through him as Gizmo yanks the speculum out. Got it! Trinity touches Neo, who is just... There's my sound effect. Who is just beginning to breathe. She eases the tape off his eyes. Trinity says, Neo, are you okay? He nods. Trinity goes, it's over. We got it. Wow. Hanging from the claw pick is the inanimate metal wiretap. And Gizmo goes, nasty little bugger, ain't it? And we'll continue later. Oh man, that is so, like... The next... It's like a whole spectacle. Yeah, it's a whole thing. But it... Gizmo's there and...

28:48It makes kind of sense, though. I'm just imagining the guy who plays mouse. Yeah, me too. What do you guys think? But with, like, braces. And, like, weird... Yeah, and I just imagine, like, I imagine Gizmo having, like, you know, like, circular, like, green goggles. Yeah, yeah. Oh man. Classic. Yeah, it's a special... Yeah. I mean... So you think it makes more sense? Yeah. I think it makes... Listening to that 1996 script, it... The bug is a big... Bigger deal than here. This is here. It's like just a nuisance, it kind of seems. Compared now. But it works because, like, this movie is two hours and ten minutes long. And I think that... Yeah, that'll be way too much. In this film, it's perfect. This is just excessive. Well, and plus, remember guys, we're also, like, we're the ones who are saying, like, what's the point of the bug? Why is there a bug? But...

29:28And if you had the whole scene as well, I think you'd even further, like, make people think about the bug the entire time. You'd think, like, oh, what's up with the bug? Yeah. I think here they just wanted to get out of the way. Where is his story? Where did the bug go? Okay, we have one more little section. Okay, hang on. Like, um, you know, like, three... Is it the juicy 96? Three-fourths of a... No, three-fourths? Yeah, three-fourths of a page. Right? Is that how you see it? Yes. Like, it's just one more page of this. Sure. And I think that's where the differences end. Yes. This one's... This one's amazing. I'm ready. This one's amazing. Okay, so Interior, Hotel Lafayette. So they go inside the hotel. It's like the movie. The van stops in a deserted alley behind the forgotten hotel. The doors open, and Trinity helps Neo get out.

30:09Trinity says, Thanks for your help, Gizmo. And then Gizmo says, I just hope the man knows what he's doing. She nods, then climbs out the van. Gizmo ogles the tight leather pants. God damn, what I wouldn't get for a copy of that software. Trinity turns around. Gizmo, you don't have the hardware to handle this software. He howls with an adolescent laughter. Woo-hoo! As the van pulls away, Trinity turns to Neo. Let's go. He's waiting. Da-da-da! Oh. That was the best. That's a great line right there.

30:49They probably thought it was the... You don't have the hardware. This is turning into the software. The hackers movie from the 90s. This is turning into... Like what? This is turning into Johnny Manonik. Did you guys ever watch Hackers? With Angelina Jolie? Nope. What about Swordfish? This is much more 90s than Swordfish. Swordfish is all kinds of wrong about Hackers. Really? I'm hacking as fast as I can, says Wolverine. Yeah, well, getting a blowjob. But the thing is that... Swordfish is kind of bland. I mean, there's like some horrendous hacking scenes and everything. But Hackers is just all sorts of jest.

31:32It's just... Wow. It's bad. You have to watch it. Well, watch it when you guys come over because it's amazing. I mean... Typing away. Look, you know... How does this compare? Okay. So, if we even just not look at all the rest of the Hackers movie, which is all this crazy talk and all this crazy hacker culture and all this nonsense. But just the hacking, it's that beautiful... They're trying to hack into this security thing. And it's all 3D visuals. And they're like flying a spaceship and the viruses are animations, little bugs eating up the screen. And it's just like, oh...

32:12Yeah, that sounds like that. I saw a clip... That sounds like Johnny Mnemonic. Yeah, I saw a clip of Johnny Mnemonic. The true Matrix. And it was exactly like that. I was like, let's hack. And then he has to go hack. And you see all... It's all visuals. Computer cyberspace and... Devices and things. Using an Oculus Rift. Yeah. It's a glorious movie. Anyway, thank you for listening to this episode of The Matrix Minute. I am Phil. I'm Jake. I'm Tim. And you can find us at The Usual Suspects. The Usual Suspects. You can ask us questions. We will read them. Ask at TheMatrixMinute.1. Is that correct? I found us on this, correct? You can find us on Facebook and Twitter. And you can also find us individually on Twitter. And that's pretty much it.

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34:35Should I just swear? I think I ought to swear. Sure, yeah. Swear, swear. It's up to you. Do it. It'll be good. Swear on your mother's grave. I swear at your mother's grave. It'll be authentic.